104 points doener 1 hour ago 52 comments

Shank 50 minutes ago | parent

> “And the biggest news: I won't be able to make the ELT tomorrow,” Matt wrote in an Announcement Slack. He continued, writing that Mark Davies, current Automattic Chief Financial Officer, has “conspired” with Automattic Board of Directors members Ann Dunwoody, Toni Schneider, and Sue Decker “behind my back and they voted to put me on a paid leave of absence. I voted against that.”

If you’re doing this type of accusation in the company wide announcements channel, odds are you’re never coming back. A board coup rarely happens without a good reason, but a “leave of absence” isn’t a firing. It’s still pretty bad, but it’s not a firing. However, crashing out and waging war on the board will lead to that outcome.

SaltyBackendGuy 41 minutes ago | parent

In recent memory of companies I've worked for, even the absolute WORST executives haven't gotten fired. They always announce that "it's time for another adventure" or "I am taking a break". So I am not shocked they didn't fire him, although the board is now probably wishing they did.

datakan 33 minutes ago | parent

Had a President make a big ordeal about leaving "for health reasons". His LinkedIn had him at a new company within a couple months doing the same thing.

Had a CISO leave for "personal" reasons. Talked to him a couple years later and yeah, he was fired.

Steal 20$ out of a cash register and make the local news. Waste a billion dollars at a corp and make insane decisions and ride out on a golden parachute. Its a fucked up world.

patternMachine 30 minutes ago | parent

Barring truly bad behavior this is how executives get fired.

tibbydudeza 22 minutes ago | parent

Spend more time with my family :).

dofm 21 minutes ago | parent

He is surely very evidently mentally ill.

This is a man who, to be fair to him, has been beneficially bullish and iconoclastic in the WP community's favour for decades, as well as writing a big chunk of what was "early modern" WP. Before he came unglued.

The fact that he looked, sounded, talked the way he did, was involved, put his own money where his mouth is, and was press-available to the extent he was is a lot of why WordPress was ever taken seriously. Given the level of control he has, it was used pretty judiciously for the longest time.

I am of the opinion that his broad charge against WP Engine was valid; I think he handled it insanely.

But as I say, he has come unglued. I'd be surprised if he returns to the job. I wish him well as I think anyone who has made money because of WP should. Things have gone wrong but there was a long run of things going remarkably well.

I do think this was overdue, for everyone including Matt, even though he evidently cannot see it. I hope, but am not hopeful as it were, that he sees that this is a message from the world to change track. I would instead expect to see a bit of revenge.

muglug 6 minutes ago | parent

> He is surely very evidently mentally ill.

I don’t think that’s accurate or helpful.

I think he found himself in a situation that he could not cope with in a rational manner. I suspect that many people, myself included, would struggle in similar situations.

Occasionally a person can find themselves in a place where quitting is the best option for everyone involved, but the person at the centre is so dug in that they don’t even consider the possibility.

_fw 47 minutes ago | parent

I briefly worked in the web agency SaaS space and hoooo boy, I have never known a more gossipy or dramatic industry.

That’s not to pass comment either way on Mullenweg

It’s just WordPress folk are nuts.

ramon156 47 minutes ago | parent

Reminds me of the first season of Succession

turnsontv 38 minutes ago | parent

Same except I don't view the world through a TV so I have no clue what you're talking about.

But that one episode amirite

Such an episode

3stacks 10 minutes ago | parent

based and bookpilled

hermitcrab 45 minutes ago | parent

>Most recently, Automattic attempted to claim it owns the word “automatic.”

What is wrong with these people?

wmf 40 minutes ago | parent

That's how you can tell the article isn't giving you the full picture.

gkoberger 37 minutes ago | parent

I was curious what this meant, so I looked into it.

They asked Automatic.css to change their name: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1omrtrk/automatt...

Automatic.css is a paid CSS framework specifically for WordPress.

Legally speaking I have no opinion here, but I don't think it's as out-of-pocket as it sounds.

hermitcrab 19 minutes ago | parent

The article linked ( https://www.404media.co/automattic-automatic-trademark-matt-... ) is behind a paywall. But reading https://www.searchenginejournal.com/automattic-disputes-use-... it sounds like the claim 'Automattic attempted to claim it owns the word “automatic"' might not be accurate.

BeetleB 6 minutes ago | parent

404 Media usually has fairly shoddy journalism. Take everything they say with a grain of salt.

bellowsgulch 45 minutes ago | parent

Good, get him the fuck away from Wordpress. Though frankly, a better solution might be for businesses to ask themselves whether or not they need Wordpress anymore.

In the mean time, if you're unable to derisk Mullenweg out of your business stack, this is a good first step.

nubinetwork 44 minutes ago | parent

Good riddance

gkoberger 43 minutes ago | parent

Unfortunately, this is for the best. WordPress powers a large percentage of the internet, and I'm not sure what's going on with Matt (who I've always liked) but something turned the past few years.

He's been behind unforced error after unforced error as CEO, and I hope a break helps him gain some perspective (although I don't see him being brought back).

WordPress has been his life for 23 years. Doing the same thing for 23 years likely makes it difficult to have a proper perspective.

biglyburrito 39 minutes ago | parent

"Unfortunately"??

gkoberger 36 minutes ago | parent

"Unfortunately", because Matt did a lot of good for the internet over the past two decades. WordCamp is (or was) really amazing, the community he built is really great, the Automattic Lounge was cool, he's donated millions of dollars to good causes, and WordPress powers a large portion of the Internet.

solarkraft 32 minutes ago | parent

Automattic also bought Tumblr and Pocket Casts, publishing the code of the latter. I used to have a subscription just to support them.

dofm 25 minutes ago | parent

And Simplenote.

Gualdrapo 31 minutes ago | parent

Huh. I still remember back in the Gutenberg launch era and all the drama around it (2018) the internet saying he was the devil for profiting from WP.

solarkraft 34 minutes ago | parent

He still contributed a lot to the world during the good times.

Arnt 32 minutes ago | parent

He read the commit logs and understood much of what he read. That's deep understanding of the product. That alone puts him in the top few percent of CEOs.

IMO.

gpm 25 minutes ago | parent

Yeah, it's unfortunate when anyone goes off the deep end.

consumer451 13 minutes ago | parent

Honestly, going off the deep end in recent years feels like a completely valid reaction. Although, I could be trying to justify something in myself.

pbreit 20 minutes ago | parent

No reason given?

michael0church 10 minutes ago | parent

Wordpress enshittified in the mid-2010s. It wasn’t recent. So, I only agree off we resolve “past few years” to at least a decade.

stephenlf 10 minutes ago | parent

The entire internet is breathing a sigh of relief

dcrazy 42 minutes ago | parent

I guess when people vote the same way, it’s technically a conspiracy?

biglyburrito 38 minutes ago | parent

No, it's called "voting".

garbagepatch 38 minutes ago | parent

pluc 27 minutes ago | parent

https://mullenweg.wtf/ picked up after that

solarkraft 37 minutes ago | parent

I’m a bit relieved. Only knowing it superficially through its larger public actions, Automattic used to be one of the “good guys” companies to me. I envisioned myself applying there at some point. This has obviously changed over the last 1-2 years.

I don’t doubt that the good parts were largely Matt’s work, but well ... I think a lot of us followed his semi-recent public actions.

I’m a bit surprised they didn’t pull the plug earlier given they could have. Hasn’t he already caused vast damage?

Still, he has done a lot of good for the internet and world at large. I don’t want to discount that. I just hope he manages to chill a bit.

ValentineC 37 minutes ago | parent

I'm shocked. I always thought that Matt held the majority of the voting shares, and that the board of directors was mostly there as a rubber stamp.

ChoosesBarbecue 34 minutes ago | parent

I am so curious why now, what changed? The WPEngine saga is started two years ago.

minimaxir 17 minutes ago | parent

It never ended.

ChoosesBarbecue 7 minutes ago | parent

Touché, reworded it to be clearer on what I meant :).

reticulates 28 minutes ago | parent

I think it is easy to underestimate how big of a deal this is. Matt has a stranglehold on Automattic and Wordpress, it is not possible to remove his control over the ecosystem and he is volatile. Ousting him as CEO is almost certain to cause a major reaction from Matt, so, for Automattic to make this decision is a very big deal. The right decision for the long term but the hard decision. I expect we will see Matt try to punish Automattic’s board, it will get worse for Automattic before it gets better.

Here is Matt talking about his control: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42657150

pluc 25 minutes ago | parent

I'd definitely take away his access having seen how vindictive he has been throughout the WPE saga, for everyone's sake

Spinfusor 6 minutes ago | parent

If he has 84% voting share, can't he just fire the board?

tibbydudeza 23 minutes ago | parent

Finally.

0xDEADBEEFCAFE 22 minutes ago | parent

Anyone could have forked WordPress at any time or spun up their own multi tenant instances if they were truly concerned, this just seems personal. It’s a bad day for founders IMO.

minimaxir 16 minutes ago | parent

The entire saga started due to WP Engine "forking" WordPress.

echoangle 19 minutes ago | parent

> Most recently, Automattic attempted to claim it owns the word “automatic.”

Real austin powers vibes

> He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark.

chris_wot 5 minutes ago | parent

This is likely how they pull out of the disasterous legal actions Mullenweg has taken.