YHK - yet another hacker news clone

You have it already on VSCode, which isn't quite the same, however nowadays it is an open question which one is more relevant for Microsoft's management, especially given that VS isn't cross platform (see Azure), and is stuck with WPF/.NET Framework.

I'd also love to see MS sponsoring Windows support for a modern linker like mold or wild.

Optimistic to assume that modern day programmers even know what a debugger is, or if they do, consider it as anything else than some weird ancient shibboleth only used by the greybeards ;)

A lot of infrastructure is going to be ported to Rust.

It's fantastic for websites and servers, and LLMs are very good at generating it.

The primary downside of Rust is the long compile times, especially with macros (serde, etc.) If that can be fixed, it will be sublime.

What is wrong with wordpress exactly?

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This “Tier-1 language” engineering status for Rust means giving internal teams a paved path from local development to production: secure toolchain builds, productive developer tooling, quality workflows, deep platform integration, and compliance with the SDL requirements Microsoft software must meet.

Tier 1 is the summit of summits - the summum bonum of languages, the highest order to which a language can aspire. Very few ever attain it. Non multa, sed multum: not many, but only those of extraordinary quality. Most languages remain forever in Tier 3, never passing beyond its gates. Of these, scarcely 1% ascend to Tier 2. And from that already distinguished company, a mere 0.1% possess the refinement, depth, and excellence required to cross the final threshold into Tier 1.

Consider what that means: Tier 1 represents roughly the top 0.001% of languages. Pauci sed electi - few, but chosen. The crème de la crème. The aristocracy of languages. Primus inter pares, yet standing at the very edge of what programming language greatness can be.

Ad astra per aspera. Through hardship, to the stars. Tier 1 is not merely another rank: it is the ultima Thule, the farthest frontier, the crown, the apotheosis.

It means it's about as good as C++ ;)

Calculate ackermann(4,4), make no mistakes.

Honestly, the only domains that I think rust isn't suitable for are:

* rapid-prototyping, where javascript and python are still top-tier

* adding scriptability to existing programs, where lua and scheme (and python) are popular

* Server-side API implementation (rust is usable here, but I think Go fits the slot better)

All those applications area sensitive to asynchronous programming.

Yeah I'd written some rust ~ 10 years ago when the language was very different and that led me to believe that it was a 'great within it's niche' sort of thing for a long time, but after spending the last couple of years with it as a daily driver I think it's a pretty great general-purpose language.

The one really common gotcha with rust is that when trying to write concurrent code, newbies tend to throw Arc<RwLock<T>> goo around everywhere, and they end up with the world's shittiest garbage collector.

  - Dedicated hardware via DMA, multiple cores/MCUs etc
  - Thread pools (e.g rayon)
  - GPU
  - SIMD
  - Atomics
  - Interrupts and their ISRs
  - Event loops
  - std::sync Thread and MPSC (My Std rust default for not blocking the GUI etc)

Yeah, I primarily use rust because it's got algebraic data types, pattern matching, and cargo.

If ocaml had a cargo like experience, then I would migrate there.

But Tier-1 app consuming Tier-1 RAM seems officially approved.

The problem is the Webview2 prevalence, and note many Rust projects love their webviews as well.

I feel like the weather app makes a lot of sense from a corporate politics point of view.

A 1mb weather app would have a significantly less impressive pie chart associated with it come "here are our improvements" presentation.

Also if times get tough and you're told to reduce headcount by 10%, who do you want to get rid of. Sally who knows the USB driver end to end or Todd who wrote the bloated 1gb weather app. (Don't feel bad for Todd, he knew what he was getting himself into.)

I guess we should watch for contributions to Servo

You’ll know when they publish Visual R++ or Rust.NET.

There is a rustc_codegen_clr which transpiles to .NET

https://github.com/fractalfir/rustc_codegen_clr

Just had a PTSD flashback...

The year was 2002, VB6 had just been retired for VB.NET which had 0 backward compatibility.

And then we all became Flash/AS3 developers.

The End

Because it takes time. Even with coding agents, to add the capability. Then, there is the question on whether Rust developers who like to engage with Microsoft tools, would really consider Visual Studio as their IDE, instead of something like VS Code, VS Code Agent Mode, GitHub Copilot App, or GitHub Copilot CLI with simpler editors.

I'd be curious to know whether Rust developers believe Visual Studio is the right place for Microsoft to invest Rust specific coding capabilities.