29 points geneticdrifts 2 hours ago 9 comments

clickety_clack 19 minutes ago | parent

Given that many of our current-day subterranean environments are also covered in art and strewn with drug paraphernalia, can we really say that it played a key role in the rise of the civilization?

dyauspitr 14 minutes ago | parent

You can 100% say that European civilization was heavily, heavily influenced by the consumption of alcohol.

Gualdrapo 10 minutes ago | parent

What do you mean "was"?

kekebo 33 seconds ago | parent

Supposedly there was a time when drinking beer was often safer than drinking water from available sources, including for children. I guess there are levels

gchamonlive 4 minutes ago | parent

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baxtr 18 minutes ago | parent

Didn’t mind-altering drugs like alcohol play a key role in the rise of any civilization?

LoganDark 7 minutes ago | parent

Alcohol is a poison, not a drug, but I also think so.

I honestly wish mind-altering drugs were more accessible sometimes, mostly because of safety. Millions are killed by adulterants in their street drugs.

dyauspitr 15 minutes ago | parent

So if you take a lot of psychedelics you end up with a civilization that ritually murders 20,000 people every couple of months.

Just imagine the power you could wield as a shaman with drugs like DMT and psilocybin it would look like a literal magic

TFNA 11 minutes ago | parent

Are you thinking of the Aztecs or Mayans thousands of kilometers away? Andean human sacrifice involved customs unable to provide that level of throughput.

theturtletalks 4 minutes ago | parent

I read many years ago that psychedelics are what lead to the formation of consciousness. And it’s supported by the fact that psychedelics are also a network like the brain is. And when taking them, your brain experiences plasticity and that’s what allows profound changes.

A big part of our consciousness is the default mode network (which is a default of how we operate day to day, things we think about, etc). Psychedelics allow us to change that DMN, but may it have created it too?