14 points ghernando 43 minutes ago 13 comments

bix6 21 minutes ago | parent

> The company released six internal case studies where none of the issues affected real users.

This is the most interesting point to me. What are they not releasing that has affected real users? We’ve seen some individual reports from people (eg AI wiped my HD).

skybrian 7 minutes ago | parent

Imagine how pervasively they'd have to monitor what their users are doing to pick up on that whenever it happens. They do occasionally report on [malicious use](https://openai.com/index/disrupting-malicious-ai-uses/), though.

The people affected that way have to report on it themselves.

pcestrada 20 minutes ago | parent

OpenAI and Anthropic should be nationalized. I find it difficult to trust Sam Altman or Dario Amodei.

manav 18 minutes ago | parent

and you trust the government?

klaff 8 minutes ago | parent

not this one

vb-8448 16 minutes ago | parent

Even better: force them to release weights.

bibimsz 5 minutes ago | parent

who even has the inventive to do that? certainly not the government.

prettyblocks 12 minutes ago | parent

I guess that's one way to guarantee development slows down to a crawl, but in no way would it increase trust.

bibimsz 6 minutes ago | parent

why would that be the case? it's not true for top secret defense contractors today. and the frontier labs already operate in the dark, openness is a liability.

nationalization to me simply means the government is their main customer and stakeholder, and shield them from liability, governance, and openness. not that the frontier labs become part of the government per se.

bibimsz 10 minutes ago | parent

they will. to shield from oversight, liability and profitability concerns, and to ensure unimpeded rapid development, with the frontier only being available to elite (not you). definitely not to add transparency.

the frontier labs are the new top secret defense contractors.

indymike 5 minutes ago | parent

I find it even harder to trust elected leaders from any party. At least Sam and Dario are aligned with a value set that is understood and clear, whereas political leaders values changes as do the polls their livelihood depends on changes.

ceejayoz 2 minutes ago | parent

> At least Sam and Dario are aligned with a value set that is understood and clear…

How could we possibly know this?

carterschonwald 5 minutes ago | parent

i think the lower bound on the end state is there cant be opaque reasonibg steps ever.