147 points volf_ 50 minutes ago 47 comments

algoth1 40 minutes ago | parent

Finally a lab that doesn't cheat on the charts

vatsachak 37 minutes ago | parent

Wow, the chinese labs are getting good at advertising model releases. The moat is thin.

Some features of the release I like:

- Demonstration of diverse tasks, such as using a DAW

- Graphs from various benchmarks and price ranges

- Real world use of the model in scientific environments

unpopularopp 33 minutes ago | parent

I've never used worst smartphones than anything from Xiaomi, bloated ad infested borderline malware territory fork of Android. Maybe just me but whenever I see them on HN I just can't think anything good about this company.

platinumrad 30 minutes ago | parent

It's a big company, like Microsoft or Google. Some of their products are good and some are bad.

verdverm 11 minutes ago | parent

ironic to this thread, I have less bloatware and ads since I switched from Verzion to Pixel on Fi (many years ago)

Curious if Verizon / ATT still force apps on your phone, eg. NFL and Amazon apps, Fi service is subpar

InsideOutSanta 15 minutes ago | parent

It's funny, I have the exact opposite reaction. This is probably misguided on my part, but Xiaomi is one of the very few major tech companies that I don't have an immediate strong negative reaction to. Everything I've bought from them, from robot vacuum to mobile phone, has been reasonably well designed, didn't break, and was priced fairly. I also think their car looks badass.

I'm sure they're doing all kinds of terrible things, like all major companies. I just can't help but like them. Also, this model looks great, and I'll give their subscription a shot next month.

algoth1 14 minutes ago | parent

I still have a xiaomi mi 11 lite, my wife has a 15t. The cameras are the best for the price. The way they chove ads down your throat at every opportunity should be illegal though

DanMcInerney 33 minutes ago | parent

This is a big week. Probably getting next OpenAI and Anthro models, Grok 4.7, Mimo, etc. These open source model releases are why I can't take the "slow down" crowd seriously. I pitted older Mimo, qwen, step, gpt-oss, and other models against each other playing games like Werewolf and Sketch.io-like games where I let them talk shit while they played against each other. Mimo was by far pareto frontier of game-playing for the models that were <$0.15/m input tokens on OpenRouter. Qwen was pareto frontier in the shit talking game though. Qwen's hilarious. https://www.tiktok.com/@clankerfights/video/7642862917582425...

ddxv 33 minutes ago | parent

This looks great in terms of cost and capabilities, truly pushing the frontier forward in terms of open weight light weight models.

omani 33 minutes ago | parent

ah, would you look at that. I was wondering why mimo 2.5 became "dumber" the last weeks. I was speculating they are probably about to release a new version of the model. because the model really acted out a lot. especially the last two weeks. dont know, was just a feeling, highly speculative.

but now I got my "proof".

sandblast 23 minutes ago | parent

I guess that would only be possible if your provider was Xiaomi itself?

omani 14 minutes ago | parent

yes. I use opencode and opencode uses Xiaomi as a provider.

nemothekid 32 minutes ago | parent

Looking at the frontend design examples; why do these models seem to love the "01 - UPPERCASE TEXT" motif. It's everywhere now (see https://try.cloudflare.com/, which has '01 · QUICK TUNNELS', but no "02" anywhere).

sandblast 24 minutes ago | parent

Nice catch!

danvayn 20 minutes ago | parent

My guess is that by function they break down frontend sections or components into pieces and I believe document things for themselves on some level, or purposely are verbose in this way. It is probably also shaped by users and existing web patterns. They probably get reinforced by models the more common they become.

rao-v 30 minutes ago | parent

I know we have strong views on what a truly open model is (open weights, open training data, open training code etc.) but I really like how transparent they’ve been about the training of this model.

The realtime dashboard they shared during training (https://mimo.xiaomi.com/rl/) was an incredible learning and teaching tool for me, and they’ve been unusually comprehensive in sharing details about their methodology (check out that tech report - it's got lots of clever behind the scene tricks like Google or Deepseek writeups) and benchmark scores (even the stuff they didn’t do well on).

If you’re releasing an open model going forward, please consider offering the community more of this transparency!

stymaar 26 minutes ago | parent

Flash[1]: 309B total / 15B activated parameters

Pro [2]:, 1.02T total / 42B activated parameters

[1]: https://huggingface.co/XiaomiMiMo/MiMo-V2.6-Flash-RL

[2]: https://huggingface.co/XiaomiMiMo/MiMo-V2.6-Pro-RL

verdverm 15 minutes ago | parent

curious why the HF pill (on the right) always has inaccurate values

stymaar 7 minutes ago | parent

I noticed the same, and I wonder as well.

verdverm 10 minutes ago | parent

gandreani 7 minutes ago | parent

Those this mean they've fine-tuned this Qwen 3.5 9B on output from the V2.6 model?

mydreamof 3 minutes ago | parent

It is a 9B agentic model developed by Xiaomi MiMo through supervised fine-tuning of Qwen3.5-9B on MiMo-generated data

syntaxing 25 minutes ago | parent

All these new models are such tease for us folks with 128GB of shared memory. Buying another unit now to expand to 256GB is a mortgage payment but it’s getting tempting…

brcmthrowaway 22 minutes ago | parent

Is there a gamechanger around the corner to reduce DRAM requirements?

stymaar 17 minutes ago | parent

n-gram per-layer embeddings[1][2] might be it.

[1] https://sebastianraschka.com/llm-architecture-gallery/per-la...

[2]: See DS 4.1-Flash and Qwen-3.8-Next.

verdverm 14 minutes ago | parent

this is to offload VRAM to DRAM (for GP comment), and makes no difference for URAM

stymaar 10 minutes ago | parent

Am I missing a joke? WTF is URAM?

verdverm 8 minutes ago | parent

unified memory, not sure if anyone uses URAM, I human hallucinated it

bertili 20 minutes ago | parent

They mixed up DeepSeek 4.1 Flash with something else on this page, possibly DeepSeek 4.1 Flash means Gemini 3.8 Flash.

NooneAtAll3 18 minutes ago | parent

does anyone know what unnamed model is on paretto frontier picture right between MiMo 2.5 and 2.6?

so weird to acknowledge someone being on the front edge, but not name it

AnodicElegy 10 minutes ago | parent

Pretty sure that's Luna xhigh.

spwa4 17 minutes ago | parent

As for the stats that everyone wants:

MiMo-V2.6-Flash-310B-A15B roughly GPT-5.6 Luna / Claude 4.9 according to benchmarks MiMo-V2.6-Pro-1.02T-A42B roughly GPT-5.6 Sol / Opus 5 according to benchmarks

Perhaps with IQ2 flash will run on 128G M5?

MisterMunchkin 15 minutes ago | parent

I really liked MiMo 2.5, it was really affordable and actually had vision, unlike DeepSeek. (DeepSeek has only recently added it)

Just tried 2.6 flash on a really niche topic I specialise in and it has done a really good job. They’ve definitely polluted their training data with claudeslop, but looking past the slop there is a decent model.

omani 12 minutes ago | parent

how do you recognize "claudeslop"?

Bluestein 6 minutes ago | parent

It's an honest, load-bearing, simple thing.-

jwpapi 8 minutes ago | parent

In the chart they use "Pareto Line", which I think is wrong. Pareto is 20% effort leading to 80% results. Which could be interpreted as models costing 20% having 80% of peak intelligence, but that’s not what it looks like to me.

It looks like the "Frontier Line" to me, which is also often misinterpreted. frontier does not mean the best models. It means all models that are not strictly dominated, meaning in most cases: Not same price or cheaper and more intelligent.

I personally would like the word frontier to be used with more criterias: Open Weights, per use-case, etc etc. This would make model selection easier, but I understand it’s not an easy thing to do.

hashmush 3 minutes ago | parent

"Pareto" is many things, but here it does indeed refer to the frontier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_front

lwansbrough 7 minutes ago | parent

Anyone else more excited about Chinese models than American models these days? Big thing for me is affordability.

swingandamiss 4 minutes ago | parent

No, because I'd rather not support our economic and military rivals.

Freedom2 3 minutes ago | parent

Agreed, and also because I support freedom of speech!

user43928 6 minutes ago | parent

I don't trust any of the benchmarks where Opus 5 surpasses Astra or Fable 5.1.

Maybe Terminal Bench 4.0 and ExploitGym are reasonable.

Terminal Bench 4.0

GPT 6 Astra 59.6 Claude Fable 5.1 55.1 Claude Opus 5 49.0 MiMo-V2.6-Pro 34.9 MiMo-V2.6-Flash 28.8 DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 26.8 MiMo-V2.5-Pro 1.5

ExploitGym

GPT 6 Astra 42.4 Claude Fable 5.1 30.4 Claude Opus 5 22.1 MiMo-V2.6-Pro 17.8 MiMo-V2.6-Flash 6.0 MiMo-V2.5-Pro 0.1

DeepSWE v1.1

DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 74.2 Claude Opus 5 74.0 GPT 6 Astra 74.0 MiMo-V2.6-Pro 71.9 Claude Fable 5 70.0 MiMo-V2.6-Flash 67.9 MiMo-V2.5-Pro

mokre 4 minutes ago | parent

Maybe you should not trust any of the benchmarks!