40 points JohnBerryman 27 minutes ago 20 comments
tolugenius 20 minutes ago | parent
I'm not exactly following through with the claim, can someone explain how the built-in classification would not necessitate more tokens used, or be much different from turning on reasoning? Not that I don't see the difference, I just doing see how OpenAI would do it well.
mnicky 17 minutes ago | parent
AFAIK Jev is nothing special technically so it's easy to embed it as an another tool for the LLM? For many batch tasks it can still be quite a token saver I think.
Or they can even offer it as a standalone API if deemed worth it.
robertclaus 9 minutes ago | parent
I think the idea is that the latent thinking space in the LLM will be roughly the same for similar quality results - so the majority of executing well could be stripping back and fine tuning an existing LLM.
oblio 14 minutes ago | parent
If Typesafe/Jev has 2-3 years of financial runway, this problem might solve itself.
cmrdporcupine 4 minutes ago | parent
The more likely scenario is either OpenAI or Anthropic just go pay some highly inflated price to buy Jev. Mainly just for its people and the PR, not tech.
Which is likely what all the VC, hype machine, and overinflated claims are really about anyways.
abroszka33 13 minutes ago | parent
If OpenAI releases something similar to what Jev does, then that would be like admitting defeat. Their whole spin is AGI and world ending danger. Why would somebody with an AGI at home make something like Jev which is intended to be a part of some SW the AGI is going to replace anyway.
MeetingsBrowser 11 minutes ago | parent
Why release an image model, or a video model, or custom agents if AGI will just make them all obsolete?
Why build codex if AGI will replace SWEs?
Why build excel integrations if AGI will replace spreadsheets?
The_Blade 6 minutes ago | parent
the point of this article perplexes me. the implication is we should all just take our Quietus. you decide.
monatron 10 minutes ago | parent
I would assume that they would fold this type of classification into their responses API next to existing ancillary tooling that they already ship. I think OpenAI positions themselves as being wholly focused on AGI - but I think their business model leans towards lock-in via superior tooling (Codex, ChatGPT, etc.). This feels like an easy win for them without muddying the larger vision.
cbg0 7 minutes ago | parent
The people that buy into "AGI is here" and the people that understand what Jev is and how useful it would be to hook it up to an LLM are two separate circles, so there's no "defeat" being admitted.
yogthos 13 minutes ago | parent
Personally, I don't really care what OpenAI does here. What's going to be far more exciting is when DeepSeek, Qwen, or GLM start integrating classifiers into their open models.
enraged_camel 11 minutes ago | parent
I'm confused. Why OpenAI and not Anthropic? I don't see anything here that is specific to OpenAI.