112 points spenvo 3 hours ago 57 comments

dgellow 2 hours ago | parent

Im sorry given how bad of a situation that is, but it would be so ironic if they used Claude or codex for this

ben_w 37 minutes ago | parent

If the claim is true, I'd expect them to have used either those models or Grok or similar.

Of course if I was the FBI, I would make it so hackers trying to breach the system get a honeypot where all the data is fake, and with LLMs (even poor ones) it would be very easy to fake an entire alternative reality.

smalltorch 2 hours ago | parent

Thats a major attack on the US.

If your systems are compromised and need to coordinate, what do you even do if you can't trust anything, assuming the attacker is still inside the network?

lenerdenator 30 minutes ago | parent

Is it, though?

If the goal is to exfiltrate data, I guess it is. If the goal is to make the people working in the FBI feel vulnerable - and pushing out this sample data would suggest that it is - I don't think it is. You could probably do the same with data from social media sites and data brokers.

smalltorch 15 minutes ago | parent

Uh yeah, it dangerous. Public data brokerage doesn't identify FBI agents in a master roster?

Consider open investigations with covert agents. Leaking their identitys could compromise entire investigations.

Hopefully there was some forsight in washing undercover agents from these systems to other secure ones or something otherwise that's pretty bad.

Joel_Mckay 28 minutes ago | parent

In general, most governments have standard operational policies that mitigate such issues (ISO 15408.) =3

dvh 23 minutes ago | parent

ISO and ICC start with the same letter, just saying...

Joel_Mckay 19 minutes ago | parent

The International Cricket Council does have very strict rules. lol =3

kelseyfrog 1 hour ago | parent

So they're getting access to a year's worth of free credit reporting for the inconvenience?

tencentshill 1 hour ago | parent

Well that's a big one.

Perhaps firing expertise and hiring incompetents wasn't a good idea.

nateb2022 1 hour ago | parent

There's incompetence in every major company including Oracle. PeopleSoft isn't known for being the most modern or secure thing out there. Less reliance on 3rd party software like this will be a good thing going forward.

lenerdenator 37 minutes ago | parent

That's assuming that the result of this will be to switch away from PeopleSoft.

nateb2022 33 minutes ago | parent

I think enterprise software in this vein used to have a quasi-monopoly due to the sheer work required to build software of its size (not enough engineers exist in the government to do so), and the difficulty for competitors to enter regulated markets and so pretty much 1-2 options to choose from.

AI now makes it possible to build this kind of software in-house, offering a 2nd choice, though it'll only be as good as the standards of the teams using it. Only time can tell.

sarchertech 23 minutes ago | parent

Enterprise software is complicated mostly because of number of customers it can support.

Bespoke software can be orders of magnitude less complex. There are many reasons companies choose to use vendor solutions, but for large organizations it’s usually not “we literally can’t hire enough engineers to build it.”

There are so many counter examples.

0cf8612b2e1e 16 minutes ago | parent

Considering how bad most enterprise software is, I assumed the only real relevance was if the sales team ponied up some lavish perks to the right VP who only has to sign checks and never actually interact with the software.

Zigurd 16 minutes ago | parent

Not even the FBI has hostage negotiators good enough to get you out of an Oracle contract.

mc32 53 minutes ago | parent

Do you think this is a consequence of the seemingly quarterly RIFs at Oracle? Is it that offshoring wasn’t such a good idea?

lenerdenator 39 minutes ago | parent

The irony, of course, is that this will likely have a negative impact upon Oracle's reputation, which will have a negative impact upon its value, which will then be resolved with more RIFs.

It's okay. Larry got another island.

Betelbuddy 41 minutes ago | parent

Lets hope the Epstein files see the light of day, thanks to AI...

toomuchtodo 10 minutes ago | parent

As long as they’re in a storage system accessible with an exploit chain, it’s just a matter of will and effort.

rayiner 38 minutes ago | parent

Doesn’t seem new. Do you remember the 2015 OPM hack? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Office_of_Personnel_Manag.... My data got leaked in that.

freejazz 7 minutes ago | parent

Probably just one of the new recruits clicking on a link while viewing beastiality

baggachipz 26 minutes ago | parent

I always assumed DOGE + Ka$h would create an impenetrable fortress of strength; a beacon on the hill of brilliance and security.

htrp 1 hour ago | parent

TLDR. A Peoplesoft (Oracle HR) instance was compromised which allowed movement into GovCloud (AWS)

ok123456 40 minutes ago | parent

PeopleSoft 0-day.

Just goes to show that the wall of IT bureaucracy does nothing. I'm sure they had an ATO, a several-hundred-page SBOM, compliance audits, etc.

lenerdenator 34 minutes ago | parent

It doesn't do nothing. It does make things somewhat harder to attack.

There was a time, 25-ish years ago, where exploits were thrown about like candy at a parade. The procedures you mention, along with other things, have made zero-days like these more valuable than gold.

0xbadcafebee 31 minutes ago | parent

The attackers exfil'd 3TB of data, which obviously included PII, from AWS servers. They should've had DLP, active monitoring, countermeasures, using a security vendor (you can set this up for AWS services using CloudTrail, CloudWatch Logs, etc). You're supposed to have that for sensitive government or military work, and it should have (at least) caught that much traffic going to a rando external IP, blocked and flagged.

If they did have it set up, then somebody wasn't doing their job. If they didn't have it set up, they didn't comply (which is also not doing their job). I see this all the time. The security analysts send tickets to people when they see major issues and nobody is held accountable for inaction. Management asleep at the wheel (which is also their cover, can't be blamed for what you made sure you never knew about).

jimbob45 25 minutes ago | parent

I’m skeptical that multiple terabytes of data were exfiltrated quietly. I’m struggling to see this as anything other than a bluff.

iAMkenough 16 minutes ago | parent

I'm less skeptical after seeing it happen to IDScan and terrabytes of government-issued IDs being exfiltrated quietly.

Still skeptical, but the FBI's vendors are just as vulnerable to 0-days as Hertz's vendors.

iAMkenough 1 hour ago | parent

In the same week the head of the FBI went on national TV to claim credit for increasing the bureau's use of AI by 605%, whatever that's supposed to mean.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...

giancarlostoro 38 minutes ago | parent

It means when the FBI builds a case against you make sure your lawyer hires a competent forensic expert. I've seen and heard "expert" testimonies in some court cases that make me angry. There's people using tools that digitally "enhance" small images, and that gets presented as evidence in court. It bewilders me how adding pixels to an image is evidence.

applfanboysbgon 59 minutes ago | parent

Wow, that is bold. I wonder if they'll get away with it because incompetent leadership has decimated the US's capabilities? This certainly doesn't bode well for the US's odds against its nation-state rivals.

TZubiri 52 minutes ago | parent

Is their name a reference to pokemon? Or to the meme that the FBI/CIA glows through the screen?

clint 34 minutes ago | parent

They've been on an streak for over 6 years now, check out their wikipedia page.

bitwize 33 minutes ago | parent

You're thinking of "glowie", "shiny" is def a Pokémon thing.

mech422 15 minutes ago | parent

also an mmo thing - hunting for collectibles in game

yepyoukno 5 minutes ago | parent

“Glowie” is a white supremacist slur for “Jew” or “fed” (they think the Feds are “a bunch of Jews”.)

They say glowie because they see Jews are n*s who are white. They “glow” (they’re not dark.)

It’s crazy hearing main stream mention this slur slang without awareness of its root or meaning.

giancarlostoro 41 minutes ago | parent

...and this is how the FBI makes you a higher priority target, and you wind up caught.

clint 38 minutes ago | parent

US keeps arresting and charging people from this group for well over 6 years now, and this happens in 2026. They don't sound very scared.

Simulacra 38 minutes ago | parent

Again?

reactordev 25 minutes ago | parent

There’s a scene in Battlestar Galactica (2004) where someone asks Captain Adama why the Galactica doesn’t have networked computers. So the cylons can’t hack the ship…

mikeyinternews 13 minutes ago | parent

this is the way

corvad 23 minutes ago | parent

Hmm ShinyHunters seems to be in the news quite a bit recently. Most high profile was the Canvas LMS hack last spring right during college finals. Wonder if there will be a ransom for this data as well.

john_strinlai 22 minutes ago | parent

they have been on an absolute roll for quite awhile now.

corvad 21 minutes ago | parent

Looks like it was an Oracle PeopleSoft 0-day so I imagine there are a lot more systems vulnerable.

ctkhn 5 minutes ago | parent

I wonder if that was really a 0-day or an intentional backdoor?

levocardia 17 minutes ago | parent

So, what are the odds this was done with an open-weight LLM?

KronisLV 16 minutes ago | parent

That feels like publicly announcing that you want to be in a lot of trouble.

jgalt212 14 minutes ago | parent

If I use Claude or OpenAI swarm to commit crimes, and the vendor knows I'm up to no good, what's their liability? Do they plan to invoke the phone company defense?

phendrenad2 10 minutes ago | parent

[delayed]

jacobgold 9 minutes ago | parent

At this point, no one seems capable of keeping a large database safe. I assume all medical and biographical information that exists is in the hands of the major state actors.

China hacked 22.1 million records of US government employees:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Office_of_Personnel_Manag...

steveBK123 8 minutes ago | parent

Claiming they got all employee & spouse data.

Wondering about pets..