51 points pillars 1 hour ago 20 comments

superkickstart 51 minutes ago | parent

Cool, but damn this is annoying to browse with phone.

KellyCriterion 47 minutes ago | parent

Well, its a media-rich & heavy site, clearly not develped for mobile usage :-)

minimeow 41 minutes ago | parent

It's clearly not the Mobile-First Design Archive ;)

Sadly it's a reflection of why Nokia failed - Mobile Safari on iOS pretty much nailed the coffin for the Nokia approach to mobile browsing.

I think what's interesting is how looking back at the Nokia nostalgia is compelling because iOS and Android have become such overlords over our digital lives.

pxoe 40 minutes ago | parent

Stupid wiggly and slightly laggy dots with no option to stop motion altogether are making it annoying to browse on desktop as well. Everything is constantly moving and there's hardly any telling what's what among model dots, and they don't have much spatial persistency so you're just constantly lost. The only predictable way to browse is just going thru 755 cards page by page.

Otherwise, extremely interesting materials. Unfortunately, doesn't seem to include later nokia smartphones, like ones with maemo and meego like n900 and n9, even though in my opinion they still very much had something to say and to show with their design, both physically with shape and look of the phones, and with phone interfaces. dare i say, they were quite influential still, and those design sensibilities, at least phone look wise, still echoed for years in later nokia (lumia and even hmd nokia) phones

a lot of funky stuff in presentations, like this one https://repo.aalto.fi/uncategorized/IO_68d7aeff-c4fb-49c0-be... or this one https://repo.aalto.fi/uncategorized/IO_b5225dd0-743a-4b6d-ba...

swiftcoder 36 minutes ago | parent

It's not that great on desktop either

annex-winged-cr 10 minutes ago | parent

martin_balsam 44 minutes ago | parent

teekert 38 minutes ago | parent

Well, that aged differently, on different fronts...

All set aside, I did always wonder, why the screen has to fold (be flexible), surely a very thin line between 2 hard screens is very workable, perhaps it is even possible to make it (almost) invisible with some optical tricks at the touching edges.

Another point: It is easy to think of such things, it's the manufacturing and specifically manufacturing at scale that is the real work. That's why I think patents can really hold us back, by blocking the market from trying stuff because a company made some nice drawings (coming from a guy that was in a company that wanted to "blanket some markets" with patents). Perhaps we could have had our flying cars ;)

Btw, that last slide is very much like the communicator from Earth: Final Conflict [0], but then again, what can you make with a rolling screen?

[0] https://earthfinalconflict.fandom.com/wiki/Global

ddudas 43 minutes ago | parent

I think it's funny how most of the pictures are about people doing usual things (talking with friends physically present, having dinner, having a meeting, etc.) and there is also a phone in their hand, like it's nothing. It feels weird to see people doing something on the phone while also being so present in other activities, and also interesting that some photos from 90' nailed it how it will be in the the 20'

toasty228 39 minutes ago | parent

"Hey claude make me the most annoying bs UI possible for the data I want to display, make no mistake"

r_lee 38 minutes ago | parent

I was thinking it was maybe GPT since I've had it generate this kind of black/green UI when I've prompted for just a blank skeleton page

matt_daemon 37 minutes ago | parent

I love whenever this is posted everyone gets so mad about the UI (it is terrible)

r_lee 30 minutes ago | parent

I think browsing this gives you a good idea of why Nokia failed. they really thought they had it all figured out and it was now time to lay back and just try out random shit.

they would never have the same kind of focus or philosophy as Apple, nor the willpower to pivot to real smartphones and a proper OS for them

thih9 23 minutes ago | parent

As a consumer I enjoy when companies try out random shit in such a user friendly way.

Apple’s focus and philosophy sure gives them an advantage. At the same time users who like e.g. smaller screens have to suffer or go elsewhere.

adev_ 23 minutes ago | parent

> they really thought they had it all figured out and it was now time to lay back.

You mean like Apple today ?

The Apple watch is from 2015.

What new product Apple produced since Tim Cook took over ?

The iPhone Duo ? Ironically it has quite a smell of Nokia N95 all over again.

fidotron 12 minutes ago | parent

Yeah, Apple today really do look like Nokia did in 2006, particularly their self indulgent tendencies. (If you were in Europe at the time this is far clearer - the north american cellphone market was nothing like as advanced pre-iPhone).

The N95 is a great example because the internals were superb, but the software was just so poorly conceived. S60 started in the wrong place and the more they worked on it the less it seemed like making it remotely usable was a priority.

The noise from Symbian at the time was that Nokia would get a new chip in and then come up with some lunatic scheme that involved using all the new CPU power in the stupidest way possible, causing newer versions to have even worse performance over time.

Their lunacy wasn't confined to S60 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3650 ), they also released madness like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_7600 . It's no surprise that during this time SonyEricsson started making serious inroads on them with things like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_K750

victorbjorklund 12 minutes ago | parent

Why? Duo feels pretty nice. Wouldn’t want the first generation (but it is never a good idea to have the first generation of anything)

helsinkiandrew 15 minutes ago | parent

> and it was now time to lay back and just try out random shit

To be fair we hadn't yet decided that phones should be a flat tablet with a screen on one side that ran apps - they were mostly for calling (possibly sending messages) and were being sold to everyone from subsistence farmers to western teenage girls who had vastly different requirements/desires - there were bricks, clamshells, flip-phones, camera phones, phones with changeable coloured covers.

helsinkiandrew 28 minutes ago | parent

More discussion from 2 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42721915 (58 comments)

grokkedit 26 minutes ago | parent

what a coincidence, less than an hour ago I looked for pictures of Nokia 2110 since I just found out that the letters on older phones were placed on different keys: OQZ were on the 0 key, not listed alphabetically, and that is still happening on small keypads used by cashiers, at least here in Italy, that's why I noticed it