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Starlink ground station in Poland hit by fire in suspected arson attack

43 points giuliomagnifico 1 hour ago 8 comments

Shank 11 minutes ago | parent

It feels like it’s very, very risky territory for these activities to be “occurring” in a NATO country. I’m sure everyone else is thinking the same thing, but at what point does Article 5 get invoked?

newsclues 7 minutes ago | parent

Unlikely given that disposable cutout agents or useful idiots are used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare or hybrid warfare is designed to avoid full military action. But the tit for tat escalation in kind can lead to real war.

arethuza 5 minutes ago | parent

Sounds very like what happened in London a couple of years back:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04g5x1wq5vo

Kinrany 5 minutes ago | parent

Undermining article 5 is the goal, so NATO needs to figure out how to invoke it gradually.

One thought is to pretend to not know that it's Russia, and invoke it against an "unidentified adversary".

ElProlactin 4 minutes ago | parent

> ...but at what point does Article 5 get invoked

Probably not as likely as you think.

First, these things intentionally fall short of clear "armed attacks" and are designed around plausible deniability.

Second, Europe/NATO are not looking for a fight. Russia is in a bad spot right now, but NATO is not in a great spot for a kinetic conflict with Russia either.

Lastly, I don't think NATO countries are eager to test America's willingness to defend Europe under the Trump administration because they already know the likely answer when they call for help.

joinHNtheysaid 10 minutes ago | parent

The incident rate should rise drastically the more russia gets closer to loosing. https://acleddata.com/report/testing-waters-suspected-russia...

I must say a web/world without them and the quatari /iranian influence operations would be pleasant.