261 points jandeboevrie 2 hours ago 213 comments
natbennett 1 hour ago | parent
The way I personally remember it being positioned was “Vim, but with breaking changes.”
tmp_throwaway_q 1 hour ago | parent
The original author of this post (on Mastodon) appears to have a bone to pick with Neovim since it's "platforming white supremacists"? I couldn't figure out what this meant. Some sort of internet drama I guess.
mikestew 1 hour ago | parent
tmp_throwaway_q 57 minutes ago | parent
manvillej 47 minutes ago | parent
It took me only 10 seconds to write.
tmp_throwaway_q 45 minutes ago | parent
wongarsu 56 minutes ago | parent
elektronika 37 minutes ago | parent
It's dishonest to downplay what his "political views" entail. He compared the removal of minorities to pest extermination.
> When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them.
s1artibartfast 25 minutes ago | parent
If illegal migrants are ruining your city, you should enforce the law. Its not rocket science
I got Streisanded into reading some of his quotes and they dont seem that bad.
db48x 13 minutes ago | parent
wongarsu 8 minutes ago | parent
The maintainer who originally responded to the github issue clearly thinks that it does not. The reporter and Twitter mob think that it does
Whether we disagree with his political views (I hope so) and how political a project like neovim is would be questions to answer once agreement on the first question is reached
oefrha 42 minutes ago | parent
linsomniac 1 hour ago | parent
Don't forget time travel: `:earlier 7d`
recursivedoubts 1 hour ago | parent
We can speak, respectfully, of how important backwards compatibility is to us, and ask nicely for them to give more of their time to support it when their free sodftware isn't backwards compatible. Perhaps we can even offer to help implement it.
But they have no duty to do so or to "care" for their users. (They have already demonstrated they care for their users, btw, by giving them free software.)
EDIT: I missed an important part of the story, which is that they mutated existing files in a non-backwards compatible manner. That should have been avoided, I understand where the (secondary) author is coming from now.
bsoqk 1 hour ago | parent
Grombobulous 1 hour ago | parent
pdonis 1 hour ago | parent
brookst 1 hour ago | parent
jeremyjh 59 minutes ago | parent
Grombobulous 44 minutes ago | parent
Maybe if they’re making their own persistent undo standard, use different file naming conventions.
That said, as a fork of Vim, maybe the Neovim authors are at least partially reasonable in assuming that you’re not running multiple forks of Vim that could then potentially conflict with each other. It just sucks that they never really thought of a migration path for this particular feature.
bsoqk 1 hour ago | parent
Grombobulous 1 hour ago | parent
InsideOutSanta 1 hour ago | parent
Grombobulous 59 minutes ago | parent
InsideOutSanta 17 minutes ago | parent
> If I give away food I have a duty not to poison you. It doesn’t matter you didn’t pay for it.
If I invite you to eat at my house, there is no health inspector and no government. I'm just giving you free food. Would you agree that I have a duty not to poison you in that case?
bigstrat2003 1 hour ago | parent
Grombobulous 1 hour ago | parent
Neovim being free software is a lot different than United Airlines giving me a free flight or my doctor giving me a free consultation.
It’s very true that you can go to civil court and make a claim that a business or individual harmed you. If you do that with Neovim the judge is going to pretty quickly read bullet point #7 of the Apache 2.0 license, you’re going to struggle to prove any kind of mal-intent, you’re going to tell the judge that you paid $0 for the software, and you’ll be pretty quickly sent along your way with no damages awarded.
TheOtherHobbes 1 hour ago | parent
Do you really believe developers have exactly zero moral responsibility to their users? None at all?
Really?
Would you still believe that if you found the developers of ssh deliberately included a backdoor for hackers, or neovim was uploading everyone's code to the NSA?
Grombobulous 52 minutes ago | parent
This issue with Neovim sounds like less than ideal design, or a bug, or both, not some kind of intentional affront to users.
Ekaros 46 minutes ago | parent
ToucanLoucan 1 hour ago | parent
pdonis 1 hour ago | parent
The only way to "fix" this from a source code perspective would be to fork Neovim.
thih9 1 hour ago | parent
Chris2048 13 minutes ago | parent
How does this translate to the vim situation?
retsibsi 6 minutes ago | parent
xbar 1 hour ago | parent
manvillej 1 hour ago | parent
jeltz 48 minutes ago | parent
manvillej 32 minutes ago | parent
Everyone in open source is trying to write good software and the definition of good is subjective depending on overall design, features, ease of use, quality, and performance.
If an open source project is missing a feature, go build it. If the project maintainers don’t want it, fork the project. Be the change you want to see in the world. That’s the beauty of open source.
Chris2048 4 minutes ago | parent
> Be the change you want to see in the world.
The feature being: don't delete my data belonging by another program? It's kind of too late once deleted isn't it? And now even that other program cannot use the data either.
pdonis 1 hour ago | parent
Even a gift comes with an implicit promise that it will do no harm. Deleting important data of yours without warning is harm.
timschmidt 1 hour ago | parent
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timschmidt 1 hour ago | parent
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Unclear? The fact that it's part of a license does not make it a legal-system-only warning.
The software might eat your dog, and feed your homework. Run it at your own risk, and be prepared to submit patches or fork it to make it behave the way one prefers.
mikestew 1 hour ago | parent
Sure, and when it does we can say “this piece of shit ate my dog, and the authors of the software have no concept of a duty of care to their users”. And no amount of “well, axually…” is going to make any difference. I have a hard believing someone is copy-pasting a license file in good faith in response.
timschmidt 1 hour ago | parent
If my neighbor mows my lawn for free, I'm not going to complain about his workmanship. If I want the job done a particular way, the solution is to do it myself, or pay someone to do it the way I like.
tikhonj 1 hour ago | parent
rdiddly 25 minutes ago | parent
leoc 23 minutes ago | parent
retsibsi 18 minutes ago | parent
I think this is a decent analogy, but it works better the other way. If my neighbour offers to mow my lawn, I accept, and then he destroys the flower bed adjacent to the lawn, I will be upset, and I will have every right to complain about what he did. If he reacts by blithely dismissing my concern, then I certainly have the right (and arguably the obligation) to warn others that they should think twice about accepting his offers of gardening assistance.
Some expectations reasonably go without saying; "don't destroy my flower bed when mowing my lawn" is one, and IMO "don't destroy my data without a clear warning and a chance to back out" is another, though of course we might disagree about exactly where this does and doesn't apply.
jeremyjh 1 hour ago | parent
_vertigo 59 minutes ago | parent
Some bit of open source software does something bad or unwanted which causes people point out that it shouldn't do that bad thing. In this case, not even "the authors of this software should be held liable for the software doing the bad thing", just, "Hey, the right thing to do would be to update the software to not do the bad thing."
Why does this always lead a zillion people to come out of the woodwork to point at licenses and warnings or whatever? Like, yes, there's a warning. Your software having a warning doesn't mean people can't criticize you and your software for doing bad thing. Your software license does not give you immunity from criticism or from people saying you should change your software.
No, you don't have to change the software. Yes, other people are within their rights to fork the software themselves. But they can also point out that they told you that your software was doing the bad thing and you didn't fix it or change it, and that as a result they don't like you or your software or both — whatever. Nothing at all wrong with that.
jeltz 43 minutes ago | parent
timschmidt 10 minutes ago | parent
InsideOutSanta 1 hour ago | parent
That's such an obvious category mistake that I'm not sure how to respond. It almost feels like a bad-faith interpretation of Wichary's original point.
timschmidt 58 minutes ago | parent
You can't have both.
retsibsi 29 minutes ago | parent
Chris2048 20 minutes ago | parent
> anyone gets to do more or less what they want with the code
so if the software had explicitly installed a root kit, you'd say the same?
If you give out free soup, you get to poison it too?
InsideOutSanta 20 minutes ago | parent
nikanj 19 minutes ago | parent
ryandrake 9 minutes ago | parent
jeremyjh 1 hour ago | parent
bunderbunder 1 hour ago | parent
This is a great example of why. Most humans have a sense, deep down, that contracts often exist to bridge the gulf between the ethically defensible and the legally defensible.
It's hard to imagine that any sane person who is just looking to use a popular editor would read some broad limitation of liability language like the above, and interpret it to mean, "By the way, we intend to quietly delete certain files created by a competing fork of this project whenever we find them."
It's true that contracts with liability limitation clauses like this are an absolute necessity in this day and age. But there's also a non-legal principle of mutual respect that is absolutely necessary to a healthy open source community.
timschmidt 53 minutes ago | parent
Forks of projects trodding all over each others files is one of the more common problems that has happened, historically. Prior to the major efforts around freedesktop.org around configuration standardization, it was quite common. It'd be one of the first things I looked for when switching to a fork.
bunderbunder 32 minutes ago | parent
I also suspect that few people actually believe it’s ok and these legalistic defenses are more about circling the wagons. How many people would defend Microsoft if a new Office version automatically and quietly stripped edit history from documents that were originally created by other versions? Would we be hunting for limited liability clauses in their EULA to defend the design decision?
bestouff 1 hour ago | parent
gozzoo 1 hour ago | parent
But actually there is! They didn't start from scratch. They took another very successfull and beloved project with the promise "to make it better". There is some promise here and the duty not to make it worse.
owebmaster 1 hour ago | parent
brookst 1 hour ago | parent
margalabargala 1 hour ago | parent
macintux 12 minutes ago | parent
How many neovim users were made aware that the software would proactively delete their decade-long file history?
rwmj 1 hour ago | parent
Snarwin 1 hour ago | parent
rlue 1 hour ago | parent
I don’t care if you’re volunteering your time; if you build something whose implied purpose and success depends on other people using it, you emphatically have a duty to those people not to silently destroy stuff that was there before your software was.
pdonis 1 hour ago | parent
goodmythical 1 hour ago | parent
If I fork chromium, I do not get to claim that I am a chromium maintainer.
Vim and Neovim are two seperate programs.
jeremyjh 1 hour ago | parent
layer8 1 hour ago | parent
novia 1 hour ago | parent
yipinwong 1 hour ago | parent
Yes, OSS can start with just a passion without a duty, but as the scale grows you have a duty to make sure it does not have adverse effect.
If you don't like the duty, just make it die by building it crappy like VIM does.
zbentley 1 hour ago | parent
“Ow, the gas pedal is actually a bear trap.”
“Why are you complaining? It’s free!”
dima55 1 hour ago | parent
jstanley 1 hour ago | parent
WesolyKubeczek 1 hour ago | parent
InsideOutSanta 1 hour ago | parent
leoc 1 hour ago | parent
mcphage 1 hour ago | parent
Espressosaurus 1 hour ago | parent
k6hkUZtLUM 1 hour ago | parent
mindslight 1 hour ago | parent
And for what it's worth, I have flagged your comment for the inevitable pointless bickering it has precipitated. While applying reductionist frameworks and seeing where they lead is a necessary part of an individual's path to understanding, please avoid pushing ignorant assertions ("there is no duty here") as if they might constitute well reasoned truths.
sdcfgy 1 hour ago | parent
And even mentioning that results in "fork it if you're not happy" which immediately turns everyone off who's had to maintain a fork to fix a minor issue in something before. And anyone who can't fork it is being told to go to hell.
Everyone needs to quite frankly get off their high horse, crank the ego down and listen to users. Because you're damaging open source with the attitude.
30 years ago, things were better. They got a lot worse, particularly since github appeared.
xboxnolifes 1 hour ago | parent
sdcfgy 1 hour ago | parent
TheOtherHobbes 1 hour ago | parent
This is the extreme version of "I enjoy coding but I hate users."
It may be legally valid in absolute technical terms, but I'm going to take a lot of persuading that it's a healthy attitude.
diego_moita 1 hour ago | parent
By that logic, if Facebook gives away their services for free then they don't have the duty to protect their user's privacy and mental health?
ryandrake 1 hour ago | parent
jeremyjh 1 hour ago | parent
Anduia 1 hour ago | parent
SigmundA 1 hour ago | parent
Just by trying Neovim you can lose your vim undo file.
sscaryterry 47 minutes ago | parent
mcphage 1 hour ago | parent
jeremyjh 46 minutes ago | parent
I don't know if this story is true, but you can't defend it when taken at face value.
johnnypangs 4 minutes ago | parent
tzs 12 minutes ago | parent
The point was they did it in a completely stupid way and responded to a bug report about it in a way that suggested this might not be just the occasional stupid that we've all had slip into our code.
gavinhoward 1 hour ago | parent
Unlike Dr. Chisnall, I started my editor journey on Neovim, so it wasn't a transition that bit me. However, if the format of the persistent undo file is unstable, and Neovim just deletes it when it doesn't recognize the previous format, then it seems conceivable (to me) that an upgrade after changing the format would delete the file too.
Ouch. This is making me think about getting off of Neovim. Yes, FOSS comes as-is, but if there's an alternative...
cdmckay 34 minutes ago | parent
I could see ignoring the old undo data or warning before discarding it but just silently wiping it is so user hostile it’s hard to comprehend.
loeg 2 minutes ago | parent
antonkochubey 28 minutes ago | parent
Edit: some great examples in the replies here, thanks! Perhaps I should start using it in editors that support it, never gave it a thought before.
jeremyjh 24 minutes ago | parent
It doesn't matter whether or not you can think of a reason you would want to enable it, but it should be pretty trivial to do so. Once you've enabled it, it should work.
dezgeg 24 minutes ago | parent
traverseda 23 minutes ago | parent
prerok 23 minutes ago | parent
Moreover, the vim history tracking is amazingly advanced. It's almost like a mini version control system. I highly recommend getting to know it.
drfloyd51 22 minutes ago | parent
I can give some as well. IDE crashes. Computer reboots at an undesired time. Even if my work is saved, I am not “finished”. I would like my undo history to extend before file / open time.
schmichael 15 minutes ago | parent
fooblaster 1 hour ago | parent
fooblaster 1 hour ago | parent
Such amazing design...
" Enable persistent undo set undofile
oblio 1 hour ago | parent
They have very vocal and entrenched users that basically no defaults can be changed lest the single Amiga user will start a huge uproar.
And since they don't really have a BDFL or commercial pressure, they can be super detached even from standards or expectations that appeared 40 years ago.
Neovim was basically a reaction to that, for Vim, where they updated defaults to stuff basically every Unix editor since 2005 has.
layer8 1 hour ago | parent
Making privacy-sensitive features opt-in is a form of duty of care as well, to avert harm from the user.
phoghed 43 minutes ago | parent
skybrian 1 hour ago | parent
(Or rather, you can, but you will likely be disappointed.)
dlisboa 1 hour ago | parent
That's the wrong way to look at it. NeoVIM has a different concept of care for their users. They're optimizing for another kind of care, more in line with modern expectations, which VIM did not care about (hence the fork).
It's not better or worse, just different.
This same article could've been written about how VIM has no native LSP integration or autocomplete and they don't have duty or care for their users.
pdonis 1 hour ago | parent
luma 59 minutes ago | parent
jeremyjh 55 minutes ago | parent
sebzim4500 50 minutes ago | parent
MaxBarraclough 49 minutes ago | parent
webstrand 48 minutes ago | parent
nikanj 21 minutes ago | parent
crote 12 minutes ago | parent
Persistent undo exists to recover from an accidental write-and-quit mid-session nuking some stuff you really didn't intend to delete. If you care about its contents beyond a handful of hours, you either need to adopt proper version management, or start making backups.
Reading the PR the change was needed because the old undofile format was fundamentally broken. They considered making an undofile-upgrade mechanism, but it would've caused more issues that it would've solved. In other words: stuck between a rock and a hard place.
A duty of care also means occasionally having to break things to make it better, or else you end up being stuck with spacebar heating[0] forever. As a user it does suck, but that's the price you have to pay for using actively-developed software.
jeremyjh 56 minutes ago | parent
dlisboa 44 minutes ago | parent
Relax for a second. Get some perspective.
jeremyjh 30 minutes ago | parent
kebman 23 minutes ago | parent
```markdown
abhorrent
/əbˈhɒr(ə)nt/
Abhorrent is an adjective that means morally very bad, hateful, or causing strong disgust and loathing.
```
I realise that this causes strong disgust and loathing in you, but can you please expand upon how it's morally very bad to prioritise speed and ease of use over undelete capability in Neovim? Are you unable to make backups or use Git?
oh_my_goodness 4 minutes ago | parent
On that board, silently deleting a user's files is obviously justified. What would be out of line is complaining about software silently deleting user files.
[1] Galaxy far away.
lokar 41 minutes ago | parent
dlisboa 35 minutes ago | parent
People are making it sound like this is a huge company with a product and not a grouping of curious people with a couple hours of free time on a Sunday.
Most likely they never thought about it, then it broke, then it was not impactful enough to fix on their free time compared to other stuff.
jeremyjh 28 minutes ago | parent
https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/13973#issuecomment-789...
roryirvine 19 minutes ago | parent
If it's really just a toy with no expectation of not unexpectedly destroying user data then they ought to make that more clear.
mindslight 1 hour ago | parent
spamizbad 1 hour ago | parent
People of Raskin's vintage had a very humanist approach to computing. The mentality was very much an outgrowth of the cultural revolution of the 60s. Computer usage should be joyful rather than toiling. The computer should help you. It should make you feel good about what you create.
That stands in stark contrast today, where things are more hostile. Not just in terms of "Dark patterns", or writing off user needs for the sake of expediency... but even the way we talk about technology today. You need to use X, do Y or you're "not going to make it" / "escape the permanent underclass". It's bleak.
I recently restored a vintage Macintosh SE I picked up at VCF Midwest and despite its limitations that machine was an absolute JOY to use despite its limitations and nearly 40 years of age. This was a machine and software designed by Raskin's contemporaries and it shows.
ryandrake 1 hour ago | parent
And look at this article’s HN discussion. Many people indignantly defending it. “It’s open source. If you don’t like it deleting your data, don’t use it!”
creata 59 minutes ago | parent
That's just how people market things these days, preying on desperation and fear of missing out. It's not how normal humans talk, I hope.
neuodev 1 hour ago | parent
sdcfgy 1 hour ago | parent
WesolyKubeczek 1 hour ago | parent
sdcfgy 1 hour ago | parent
everforward 47 minutes ago | parent
That fell apart when people wanted vim to do some more modern IDE kind of things like all the “… on save” stuff (build on save, test, lint, etc). I think LSP support is native in neovim as well.
I believe vim merged asynchronous plugin support a while back though, so I’m not sure how different they really are anymore.
sdcfgy 22 minutes ago | parent
Just run make from another terminal...
loeg 11 minutes ago | parent
flohofwoe 41 minutes ago | parent
WesolyKubeczek 26 minutes ago | parent
I often use vim or nvim on disposable machines, so persistent undo is something very low on my list of things I want.
sdcfgy 23 minutes ago | parent
alphabeta3r56 59 minutes ago | parent
leobuskin 51 minutes ago | parent
0xbadcafebee 40 minutes ago | parent
sdcfgy 21 minutes ago | parent
debo_ 51 minutes ago | parent
kps 45 minutes ago | parent
mahboi 37 minutes ago | parent
jurf 1 hour ago | parent
Of the over a hundred students I taught when I helped out in uni, basically no one wanted to learn it, despite my enthusiasm.
And I sympathise. As I get older, I slowly grow more and more distaste for software that does not respect my time enough to give me properly-crafted defaults. Vim, in the age of modern editors, cannot compete. Not without 20 plugins with conflicting shortcuts and its self-imposed cliff of a learning curve.
And I’m saying this from a place of love; I’ve been using Vim (at least as a VSCode extension) every day for the last 10 years. But it never really grew up to the promise that the “Vim Creep” essay [1] gave me.
[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20190227031109/https://www.norfo...
:wq
mahboi 37 minutes ago | parent
As for default plugins, it'd be neat if they curated a set of optional ones, but nothing should be preinstalled.
jurf 11 minutes ago | parent
I dream of a Vim that wóuld guide and teach me how to use it, so that it does not scare away people because they can’t close it.
I dream of a Vim that embraces the needs of editing contemporary programming languages and fills in its UX gaps correspondingly (changes single to double quotes, anyone? Function argument order?).
I dream of a Vim with native Git gutters.
I dream of a Vim with sane default leader commands.
I dream of a Vim where I see line numbers by default.
I dream of a Vim where “Y” is consistent with other commands.
I dream of a Vim that detects correct indentation by default. And that can visualise whitespace.
I dream of a Vim where Ctrl+V does not have an assigned action that looks like it blocks input.
I dream of a Vim that experiments with keyboard ergonomics, not just mnemonics.
I dream of a Vim where quintuple-tapping Escape is not a habit I subconsciously form why learning it.
I dream of a Vim I stumble on people discovering and exploring, and not have to persuade people for months just to try it.
0xbadcafebee 26 minutes ago | parent
jurf 8 minutes ago | parent
hyperlinerapp 1 hour ago | parent
Some people just want to keep looking at the gift horse in the mouth.
jeltz 45 minutes ago | parent
phoghed 42 minutes ago | parent
hyperlinerapp 35 minutes ago | parent
Ekaros 26 minutes ago | parent
fatbird 1 hour ago | parent
bethekidyouwant 57 minutes ago | parent
philipallstar 57 minutes ago | parent
This was the end of the original Mastodon. Which is why I just can't with Mastodon or Bluesky. Casually tossing around ridiculous claims to back up an opinion on persistent undo.
slopinthebag 16 minutes ago | parent
Ekaros 54 minutes ago | parent
gchamonlive 38 minutes ago | parent
This seems however more like of a documentation and UX problem. Neovim should warn and ask before deleting old undo files, or at least back them up, but it's not neovim's fault if people don't use reliable backup and versioning systems. Relying on persistent undo for this is kind of a self inflicted wound.
Use the proper tools for the job. Saying that neovim developers "had no concept of a duty of care to their users" is really disrespectful. All you have to do is use neovim's Lua API, it's overflowing with care, you just need to go look.
whatevaa 28 minutes ago | parent
Seems so. As smart as keeping tabs open in browser instead of using bookmarks, but "workflow".
gchamonlive 25 minutes ago | parent
sdorf 20 minutes ago | parent
gchamonlive 14 minutes ago | parent
drfloyd51 11 minutes ago | parent
They don't get a pass because you disagree with an imagined use case.
gchamonlive 9 minutes ago | parent
jeremyjh 33 minutes ago | parent
1. The change would break undo history, for both Neovim and Vim.
2. This means Neovim would delete data created by a different program, on another user's computer.
3. This was known before the feature was released.
4. They did it anyway.
I don't think there can really be any post-hoc justification of this.
https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/13973#issuecomment-789...
loeg 14 minutes ago | parent
Insanity 13 minutes ago | parent
Not withstanding this incident, I would say that on the whole it has been a good experience with Neovim. (I didn’t actually ever use the persistent undo functionality in vim. Guess because of VCS it’s less needed for my use-case).
dtech 3 minutes ago | parent
It seems the author has too high expectations of this feature, or vim is using an incorrect path to store this is they want to make it available more reliably
ludicrousdispla 2 minutes ago | parent
BarbaryCoast 32 minutes ago | parent
But it is a nice feature.
I do that by using version control. I have it hooked to my editor so that "save" is "check in". Now I have persistent, versioned, copies of all my states independent of whatever tools I happen to be using.
modeless 31 minutes ago | parent
asveikau 22 minutes ago | parent
This story is about software being a slow, deliberate process where a lack of gatekeeping can lead to data loss. This is the type of problem which is getting worse.
carterschonwald 30 minutes ago | parent
ProofHouse 29 minutes ago | parent
utopcell 16 minutes ago | parent
RVuRnvbM2e 11 minutes ago | parent
They live in ~/.cache which is defined as "user-specific non-essential (cached) data".
Despite this user's impressive résumé, they simply misunderstood the feature.
freehorse 2 minutes ago | parent