Yet another Hacker News

82 points prodigycorp 42 minutes ago 60 comments

minimaxir 40 minutes ago | parent

> New subscriptions that aren’t eligible for grandfathering include a lower usage allowance than previously offered with Pro 200 to reflect our increasingly efficient models.

actual lol

rtaylorgarlock 36 minutes ago | parent

Oh don't worry, you get to keep your higher usage allowance for one month. hahahaha

heywoods 29 minutes ago | parent

> New rider trips include a higher base fare than previously offered with Uber to reflect our increasingly efficient trip routing. - Travis K.

Enjoy the Lyft v Uber era while it lasts!

ModernMech 23 minutes ago | parent

lol yeah, I opened the Uber app the other day to $100 fares, remembered a time when I could get anywhere in SF at any time for like $5.

thallium205 21 minutes ago | parent

$5 flat group rides, $8 flat single rides anywhere in the city. The glory days.

wartywhoa23 10 minutes ago | parent

Everyone happily paid the way for the behemoth that squeezed everyone out of competition and then started recoup the ROI aggressively, and no one recognizes oneself as a part of the problem, just like in the current AI pandemonium.

rafram 36 minutes ago | parent

I guess they got tired of people saying Codex plans were a better value than Claude Code.

Galilyou 22 minutes ago | parent

they were! now they are not

ferrouswheel 9 minutes ago | parent

Conveniently Opus 5.5 is actually usable vs 5.

But I'm still for investing in local models.

cousinbryce 12 minutes ago | parent

Tired of their investors saying that

ChrisArchitect 35 minutes ago | parent

Tomorrow we are re-opening the Pro $200 subscription

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49889306

Robdel12 33 minutes ago | parent

Yeah no. $200 was the top for me. Which doesn't super matter to me, I pretty much only use luna. I can't tell the difference between luna vs sol/astra other than those larger models do more ambitious things that I don't ask for.

Hawkenfall 33 minutes ago | parent

Why would I pay $500 now when the $200 features were just rug-pulled? I mean, Pro 1000 is on the horizon at this point, no?

rfgplk 30 minutes ago | parent

Yea, the $500 package is likely a rebranded $200 from a few months ago. Keep in mind all providers have been cutting token allowances for their subs for a few months now

Lalabadie 31 minutes ago | parent

Am I just out of touch with our times if I think hand-wavey usage limits on a 500$ subscription is crazy?

boredatoms 27 minutes ago | parent

Im surprised some countries dont have consumer protection laws that would force them to be more explicit/accurate

jstummbillig 21 minutes ago | parent

How would that work? It's not simple to set a price, when you have a fixed asset. Seems more complicated to set price on a product (ChatGPT), where the product is just a shell for something else entirely (the model), that changes by the month.

schaefer 18 minutes ago | parent

but to do accurate billing, they would have to tell us when our usage triggers a guard rail and causes our query to be rerouted or denied.

And if they do that accurately, there's no stopping someone from mapping the guard rails.

Clearly that outcome is more uncomfortable than what we have now, which is enough people seem to be okay with vague billing.

cousinbryce 13 minutes ago | parent

Move fast and bill things

CSMastermind 26 minutes ago | parent

Yeah it's wild that they don't outright state the specific usage limits.

Just trust me bro accounting.

cyanydeez 26 minutes ago | parent

Remember when people talked abouthow these models are similar to gambling. Well, might be preetty much loot box logix crossed with DLC

rafram 19 minutes ago | parent

It filter to people/organizations who have a hand-wavey relationship with $500.

a851c8a96264c 18 minutes ago | parent

Yes, you are. All of this was obvious from the start. The prices will go up way more soon (tm)

derfurth 31 minutes ago | parent

Given that I burn through 2 x $200 subscriptions, I really hope Sol 6.1 is indeed as good as Astra (￣ー￣；

rfgplk 31 minutes ago | parent

Decent(-ish), but doesn't provide good value for the money, sadly. They still refuse to tell you exactly how much usage you're paying for. My original suggestion a few months ago was to provide a $500/$1000 tier but make it _unlimited_, which this doesn't appear to be.

ferrouswheel 30 minutes ago | parent

Lowering usage limits, increasing price.

This is just the beginning. Migrate to open models ASAP.

xaksnTMu2 29 minutes ago | parent

For a second I was worried I somehow missed 490 versions.

tonyedgecombe 29 minutes ago | parent

What a strange idea to name your product after it's price.

x313 29 minutes ago | parent

Horrid value.

Previous $200 tier: 20x pro value

New $200 tier: 10x

New $500 tier: 25x, plus ultrafast mode but it drains 6x the cost (!!)

WinstonSmith84 21 minutes ago | parent

Where do you see that? I can't even see the $500 plan on their pricing page.

minimaxir 18 minutes ago | parent

The pricing is on the linked page but does not appear to be selectable in ChatGPT UI yet.

x313 6 minutes ago | parent

The $500 25x was mentioned by Altman on the livestream

The $200 cut to 10x was announced only formally on Twitter

However none of their product pages mention concrete #s, so I guess value will only degrade more over time.

rfgplk 21 minutes ago | parent

I checked it's actually awful lol

linuxftw 13 minutes ago | parent

The plan page just says "More usage" it doesn't say any 10x multiplier. Literally just says "More" than plus.

cyral 7 minutes ago | parent

Seriously, even the "Learn more about limits" link just takes you to the posted page where it literally says nothing about limits or usage. Not even x20 or x10 or whatever, just zero information on what "more usage" actually means. I don't understand why they can't provide how much token usage you get.

glub 28 minutes ago | parent

This day may go down in history as one of the worst in OpenAI's history. It's so bad it's funny.

OpenAI announced they built clones of apps that already exist, codex for normal people, and 2.5x price increase for the product that is already getting decimated by competition.

What is happening at OpenAI?

I can't imagine OpenAI not backtracking this unless Anthropic does the price hike too.

skybrian 24 minutes ago | parent

The $20/month subscription is an excellent deal. I wonder what these whales are doing with all those tokens?

I mean, other than Yegge. He seems like a pretty extreme outlier?

iAMkenough 8 minutes ago | parent

Found a whale: "It took OpenAI's agents 130 billion tokens to crack a 90-year-old math problem" https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-math-problem-solved-t...

therepanic 27 minutes ago | parent

It's funny how, just before that, they tactfully cut the limits on the $200 subscription.

rfgplk 19 minutes ago | parent

Been doing it slowly for months week over week allowances have been getting cut by 5-10% consistently

isoprophlex 26 minutes ago | parent

> If your Pro 200 subscription was active at the eligibility cutoff or during the seven days before it, you’re eligible to keep your previous included usage allowance through Oct 29, 2026 while you have an active Pro 200 subscription.

> After that date, your subscription will move to the lower included usage allowance. Your subscription price stays at $200/month.

Imagine buying this shit for a year, upfront, and then having to deal with this. Nice.

linuxftw 8 minutes ago | parent

No actual mention of the actual 'cutoff date' anywhere to be seen. Was it today? Yesterday? 6 months ago?

buckleyourshoe 26 minutes ago | parent

I wonder how this will go with the new releases like MiMo-v2.6-Pro or future GLM, DeepSeek, and Kimi releases around the corner. Once planned with Fable or Astra, the build process isn't much different with the open weight models from my usage.

paimapi 9 minutes ago | parent

you can pretty much run frontier-level models locally now with GLM 5.3 Flash and Qwen 3.8 Flash Next so this pricing feels very geared towards squeezing people who are still dependent on cloud subscription models only and don't know how to divert grunt work to cheaper models automatically with the 'smarter' frontier models acting as orchestrators and refinement

https://this.os.isfine.org/blog/posts/chinese-flash-models-a...

yzydserd 24 minutes ago | parent

Great naming scheme that doesn’t even survive exchange rates, or future price changes.

1970-01-01 21 minutes ago | parent

At this rate I expect end-to-end work getting done, no babysitting whatsoever. The agents should literally be calling me and talking about their problem if something needs my input.

AndrewKemendo 19 minutes ago | parent

We’re getting pretty close to that being the normal process at this point

I know people who have been at this as stage since around 4o with their own custom systems

jdkdkfkffk 12 minutes ago | parent

Me too, I'd say we are about two weeks away

adamrezich 20 minutes ago | parent

Very cool how I'm supposed to feel good about paying $200/mo (a VERY expensive subscription!) for months, just to be told that in the near (but not immediate) future this subscription will lose half of its value and then I'll have to pay 2.5x as much to get 1.25x the value I used to get.

Fuck that shit!

damsta 20 minutes ago | parent

People complained about burning their weekly usage in a day on Pro 200, so OpenAI's response to that is an even more expensive plan?

LarsDu88 20 minutes ago | parent

Is this Astra running on Cerebras?

mixel 17 minutes ago | parent

No this is just the 500$ plan. They offer "ultrafast" now which is ~300tps which is 8x the speed for 6x the price.

LarsDu88 11 minutes ago | parent

I think 300 tps might be roughly what an astra sized model would be at if running on Cerebras hardware no?

Or are they simply lower the batch sizes on whatever hardware they are currently running?

TomGarden 18 minutes ago | parent

Venture capital doesn't want to pay for our tokens anymore, it seems

jdw64 18 minutes ago | parent

Is AI development hitting its limits?

The performance changes between models are almost static. Recently, GPT has shifted almost entirely toward token efficiency.

Astra is good at making 3D assets, but realistically its coding was not as good as GPT 5.6 Sol.

Have we reached a point where getting better at one thing means starting to get worse at another?

This announcement is the worst one yet.

Nerfing existing usage A more expensive top-tier plan Showing off how slow Dots is right in the demo video And GPT Space—are they telling us to use it instead of Notion or what...

Overall, throughout the entire announcement, everything OpenAI wants me to look forward to just leaves me, as a developer, disappointed.

rfgplk 9 minutes ago | parent

Yep. It's hitting limits because models have effectively reached the logical endpoint of how "precise" their outputs can become. In order to overcome this they need to either a) get excellent at outputting and working with massive codebases (10+ million loc) since a singificant % of systems simply cannot be done in less than that (the language itself isn't expressive enough) or b) reach the next stage of intelligence where the models are somehow able to output sequences that can solve vast complex problems with a very narrow output. Option b isn't really possible (various statistical/computational fundamental limitations forbid it) and option A is _insanely_ expensive. Which is why all of the demos the frontier labs have been pushing out are either really impressive one shot demos where the model is able to take a concise input and produce something great on its own, or very long running internal sessions where they claim to do something vast with minimal oversight (NavierStokes, C compiler, Bun rewrite).

bhelkey 18 minutes ago | parent

> See the pricing page for a comparison of the features and usage included in each plan.

Does anyone see the usage limits? I don't see anything indicating how much usage is in each tier.

I checked:

* https://chatgpt.com/pricing/

* https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9793128-about-chatgpt-pr...

* https://chatgpt.com/#pricing (signed in plan upgrade page)

VCFundedGenYer 13 minutes ago | parent

Pure scam pricing.