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Canada fast-tracks Pacific oil pipeline to reduce US dependence

40 points geox 1 hour ago 26 comments

simojo 35 minutes ago | parent

So many people come and give doomer statements on the reality of the US and Canada becoming increasingly at odds.

As a US citizen, I just want to add that I hope some day we can reestablish a healthy relationship with our neighbors. These articles are saddening.

reedf1 29 minutes ago | parent

It won't happen in our lifetime. American's are yet to fully understand the impact, it will take 50 years or more to go back to 2024.

newsclues 22 minutes ago | parent

The reality of trade and geography will shorten the timeframe.

Remember that the Canadians claimed to care a lot about climate change, and sending goods to Asian or Europe has a greater environmental cost than shipping to America.

Do you really think the Canadian government will stop advertising on YouTube and Facebook? The Canadian PM mainly does news with American companies...

yostrovs 20 minutes ago | parent

It's not at all clear to most Americans what the consequences are. This pipeline, for example, sounds like something Americans should welcome because it will finally allow Canada to offer its oil to the world market in significant quantities. It will allow Canada to export significantly more than they do now, pushing down prices. It wasn't built until now purely because of internal Canadian environmental concerns. If Canadians think it's a good idea to now destroy vast amounts of their forest to get to some of the most difficult to process oil in the world, then that's what it is and they get to make some money as a benefit. But it doesn't seem at all like some kind of rational reaction to American foreign policy.

Sytten 18 minutes ago | parent

The Canadian oil is always 10-20% cheaper right now because it only has one buyer, if anything the price will just track the global market more

yostrovs 11 minutes ago | parent

Ability to export more will lead to greater production.

standardUser 19 minutes ago | parent

The Trump presidency, and his absurd trade wars, are deeply unpopular in the US. I'd be shocked if most Canadians don't understand this fully and see Trumpism for the personality-driven anomaly that it is.

i80and 14 minutes ago | parent

They're unpopular, but we're apparently a fickle and short-memoried people with few real legal safeguards or principles.

Trump was deeply unpopular at the end of his first term too, and Americans still went back for a second bite.

We gotta look inward and, metaphorically speaking, go to rehab.

throwaway86047 5 minutes ago | parent

"America isn’t the way it is because Trump’s president. Trump’s president because America is the way it is." - David Cochrane

i80and 22 minutes ago | parent

Disclaimer: I'm American

I don't see how Canada can trust us again without a major cultural and legal shift in the US. The fact is that any president can, apparently, unilaterally shred international friendships, and 30%-40% of Americans will cheer it on.

I would love a return to normalcy, but Americans need to make sure, really sure this can't happen again.

bawolff 18 minutes ago | parent

The real problem is not just that, but that america chose to re-elect him. One time can be dismissed as a fluke or temporary situation. The reelection showed that this will be the status quo moving forward.

redanddead 6 minutes ago | parent

The real problem is not just that, but that these changes were going to happen regardless, he’s an accelerant

palmotea 3 minutes ago | parent

> The fact is that any president can, apparently, unilaterally shred international friendships, and 30%-40% of Americans will cheer it on.

That's not the problem.

The real problem is that the political establishment let things get so out of whack that someone like Trump could enjoy a large amount of support and get elected.

> I would love a return to normalcy, but Americans need to make sure, really sure this can't happen again.

Easy: just repeal democracy. Make elected officials advisors at best, and vest all power in unelected officials that will uphold the status quo.

bawolff 21 minutes ago | parent

As a canadian, regardless of how sad it might be, we cannot stake our livlihoods on nostalgia for a past that may never come again.

NoMoreNicksLeft 12 minutes ago | parent

When your population reaches 100 million, as is the plan... how much nostalgia could there even be? 70 million of those people won't remember any previous era, because they just stepped off the plane. For that matter, what sort of livelihood could there be? Are you planning on some resurgence of Canadian manufacturing? Steel maybe? Textiles? Maybe a film industry? Will you all be lawyers?

stackghost 3 minutes ago | parent

>For that matter, what sort of livelihood could there be? Are you planning on some resurgence of Canadian manufacturing? Steel maybe? Textiles? Maybe a film industry? Will you all be lawyers?

That's right only America is capable of providing a livelihood and productive economy for its citizens. Silly Canada, just become a client state and let America make all those hard decisions for you.

notatoad 20 minutes ago | parent

as a canadian, i'd suggest that reestablishing a healthy relationship might require more than hope.

but from what i can see, the american reaction to this, even from the anti-trump crowd within america, is to basically shrug and assume that canada will quickly forgive and forget.

ocd 4 minutes ago | parent

Yeah, I don't think they understand that we're not "with them" either, and while ending hostilities would be viewed favorably, no one here is sympathizing with the American left either. You can only be so patient with the idea that parading around with protest signs is actually doing anything.

stackghost 14 minutes ago | parent

>As a US citizen, I just want to add that I hope some day we can reestablish a healthy relationship with our neighbors. These articles are saddening.

Canadian here. It'll be at least a generation, if it ever happens at all. I have two kids in elementary school and every single one of their peers is talking about America as a threat. More than once I've had one of my kids ask me if it's true Donald Trump wants to take over Canada. It's a whole generation of children growing up resentful of America, viewing it as a threat rather than an ally. Those attitudes aren't going to just evaporate after Trump leaves office.

I took no end of downvotes and snarky comments from arrogant Americans on this fucking website for suggesting that the old days are not coming back, largely because Canadians have realized that Trump is broadly representative of Americans. He is a symptom of an underlying sickness. The problem is Americans themselves.

To wit: Harris got 75 million votes in 2024[0]. The total voting-age population is roughly 270 million [1], which means less than a third of the US electorate voted against Trump. The remaining two thirds either voted for him or were sufficiently unbothered so as to not vote at all. So we see a bunch of Americans in the media or on socials crying crocodile tears about how tHeIr AlLiEs ArE sO vAlUaBlE tO tHeM and traitors in the Alberta government notwithstanding I think broadly speaking Canadians realize it's bullshit and have moved on. Any treaty the US signs is not worth the paper it's printed on.

This schism is permanent, and I think Americans have yet to comprehend just how much foreign attitudes towards America have moved over the last year and a half.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia...

[1] https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/03/29/2024-06...

krior 14 minutes ago | parent

> As a US citizen, I just want to add that I hope some day we can reestablish a healthy relationship with our neighbors.

Just write "Thoughts and prayers!" and save us all some time.

1298h 25 minutes ago | parent

Political theater to increase oil production in Alberta and help the US agenda of exporting oil to Asia to allies so Hormuz can be closed.

Carney is a weasel like all of them.

11101010010001 23 minutes ago | parent

global warming is a global problem and instead, we're all just playing the prisoner's dilemma.

Sytten 20 minutes ago | parent

Carney has quite a unique opportunity for massive public spending that would have never been popular in any other case. The US always kept Canada well enough that the economy was "good enough" with declining infrastructure and underinvestment (capital fleeing to better return in the states).

Now that he can claim to have no choice and people are really mad, then he can even force retirement funds to invest massively here through those "nationnaly important projects". If successful that would seriously boost our stagnant productivity and economy.

ahsg1298 16 minutes ago | parent

Of course, that is what is prearranged with Trump. Trump threatens Canada, Carney has a reason to implement unpopular measures.

Trump threatens the EU, the EU has a reason to implement popular measures.

Trump is the salesman and Reality TV host, the plans are made elsewhere.

FLeXMurphy 14 minutes ago | parent

You didn't need a throwaway account for that statement. HN karma is worthless anyway.