38 points shahidhussain 3 days ago 14 comments

shahidhussain 3 days ago | parent

Author here. I bought this CD in 2011 and spent 15 years failing to find out who made it. The band charted at #47 on the UK Independent Singles Chart in June 2006, so it was a real, professionally made, commercially distributed record, and I couldn't find anything online: no credits, no fingerprint match, no company registration for the label, nothing on streaming.

Part of the answer turned out to be that their website was Flash, so it was never meaningfully indexed, and their MySpace was never mirrored. A band can be entirely findable in 2006 and entirely gone by 2026 depending on which technologies they happened to pick.

It was eventually solved by searching on the producer's credits rather than the band's name, and then by two people replying to cold emails. Both the producer and the singer were generous enough to be interviewed, so there's some fresh detail in there about the recording session as well.

anenefan 3 days ago | parent

That's an epic search but at least of all a wind at the end.

Sadly the ability to search via the usual suspects has diminished greatly from 2015 onwards, not all of it is on lack lustre efforts of search engines involved, some of the data had become just too hard to get from within forums where human intelligence rules. Of course the lack of competition from new search engines isn't good either, too many sites aim to block all but the top handful of bots from their content ...

shahidhussain 2 days ago | parent

Thanks for the note. Yeah, it was almost impossible to find the data without a ton of help. I’m sure things will change again as bot internet usage overwhelms human usage — maybe more silos, maybe more bot only interfaces. Interesting times!

doctoboggan 57 minutes ago | parent

> A band can be entirely findable in 2006 and entirely gone by 2026 depending on which technologies they happened to pick.

This is interesting, and in some cases desirable. I wonder what technology choices one could make today if they wanted to have an internet presence now but not have it stored forever. Would that even be possible today?

joshvm 39 minutes ago | parent

I think you’d enjoy The Case of the Missing Hit - on the Reply All podcast.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/mar/10/reply-a...

Similar situation - guy remembers a catchy song, lyrics and all, but can’t find any trace of the band or the music. I won’t say more than that as it’s worth listening to them tell the story (The Guardian article also doesn’t spoil it).

nocoiner 1 hour ago | parent

Thanks for posting your search. I absolutely love stories like this. I can’t help but think that music was a little more interesting when it was primarily physically released.

GuestFAUniverse 1 hour ago | parent

Oh wow, "OK Tokyo"'s predecessor.

I think I bought the "A Lesson In Crime" EP a long time ago, because a song from it got me hooked during a Michel Gondry movie?

Never bothered to look for their roots. Cool pointer! Thanks.

onli 1 hour ago | parent

The streaming model really makes remembering details difficult.

I used to play only local files, and then during a time at university played in the office music on Youtube. One specific album got stuck in my head, but for a long while afterwards didn't find it again. No name, no lyrics - not a good starting point. I just remembered a pink unicorn and that is was psychedelic rock and that the singer sang with a specific deep voice. After several rounds of research (the same youtube channel is still up) and looking through uploads of the timeframe and their recommendations it turned out I misremembered: The cover had a rainbow cat looking into the distance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ea1mYXUcBY, Whoopie cat).

How I remembered was funny. I talked to someone about this, researched while, then talked again, when something came over me to look to the side into the distance with a slightly open mouth - just to suddenly realize that this face was on the cover, not the unicorn!

But actually, I still have that image of the unicorn cover in my mind (one color silhouette, hoofs into the air, but who knows at this point). The Whoopie cat album is definitely one I heard back than and it was the music I was searching for, but the unicorn cover probably also existed in that space and was a different album. Or did I just imagine something based on space stallions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Otaq2tmNMM)?

After that experience I set up a local music player again and downloaded some of the albums I wanted to remember.

BLKNSLVR 56 minutes ago | parent

I've had a few of these musical splinters, and most of them have worked their way out with time. One was quite recent: the music video for Underwater Love by Smoke City, which was memorable for their bullet-time-ish effect that pre-dated The Matrix by a year or few.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hesv3K4Dz9M (uploaded 12 years ago, but I couldn't find it for a long time and only looked again recently - whilst looking for Faith no More's song of the same name).

Another was the song Purple, for which the commonly shared MP3 was mislabelled as by the band Air. Turns out it was a band called Crustation, who released a single magnificent trip-hop album, with Irish vocalist Bronagh Slevin, and then disappeared into the ether. Took me a few sessions over a few years to track all that down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNJCVruRLc

https://bronaghslevin.com/

Another one was a song that got high rotation for a very brief period of time (when I was on a driving holiday, and so had the radio on a lot) maybe on Triple J, early 2000s, called Media Junkies by the band of the same name. Turns out the song was actually called News Addiction. One hit wonder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyZxYopvowA

The last remaining splinter (that I can recall) is a song from the mid-90s, "eager beaver" or "tenfour" or some variation on that features heavily in the lyrics as truckers chatting over CB radios. Haven't done a search session in a number of years on that one, but never got anything close to a lead on previous attempts. Maybe it's time to have another go.

Way back then, it was the research that was at least part of the enjoyment. I think it taught me how to research, to some degree at least. I went from Faith No More to Mr Bungle, and back then it wasn't easy to find this kind of stuff. Mr Bungle then changed my entire future musical taste journey. Good times. Worth the effort.

BLKNSLVR 42 minutes ago | parent

Hah! Thanks to asking AI, just found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXlWWeDLxYU

Slightly underwhelming (and I knew it would be). My taste has changed a fair bit in the last 25 years. Looks like someone else had been looking for it almost as long as me.

Released in 98 or 99. 27 years. Satisfying.

marai2 19 minutes ago | parent

For me it was a Bjork song but it was in Icelandic. I had heard it around 2010ish and didn't have the song. Because it was in Icelandic and I didn't know the name of the track I couldn't figure out how to find it - because I had streamed through all of Biorks albums on one of these streaming services and it wasn't on any of them. I don't know how similar Icelandic is to other Nordic/Scandinavian languages so maybe a speaker of these languages would have been able to identify the lyrics, but I couldn't even identify a single word from memory that I could use to search for the lyrics.

After more than a decade The Guardian had an article on Bjork and mentioned something about her fan club on Reddit. So I thought I would ask there.

That hit the jackpot, someone mentioned she had an earlier band called Tappi Tíkarrass (from 1981-1983) and it was a song they performed on some TV show. https://youtu.be/nkuXOtFLMZw

fsckboy 18 minutes ago | parent

>If anyone knows anything about this band, who they were, where they were based and if they have any other songs, please let me know.

try searching for "bad imitation of U2"

>where they were based

they're not based

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO5C4gLcZiU
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpNXQXbQj8I

lubujackson 17 minutes ago | parent

AI to the rescue.

I was just revisiting my own Holy Grail, though much less rare. From the Napster days: My Gay Uncle's version of "Back That Azz Up": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDj2JpJr3vU

This is the same version I downloaded randomly from Napster when I would search vaguely for "punk covers". It's just so great, but with potato recording quality (maybe naturally) and a bunch of skips and clicks that sound like a shitty CD rip or early MP3 encoding artifacts. I'd love to find an actually clean version of the song, but to no avail. It may not exist.

fithisux 6 minutes ago | parent

Unusual article on HN, but it is really enjoyable.