27 points nvtop 13 hours ago 28 comments
vouaobrasil 1 hour ago | parent
Sounds revolting. Everything being turned into the industry is soulless and uninspiring. I know a lot of people worship this future but I for one hate it. I for one don't see the point in creating this intellectual power where there will always, always be someone to abuse it simply because of our instinct to be greedy.
esseph 1 hour ago | parent
Maybe your AI prevents the greedy AI from achieving their goals.
"Good guy with an AI"
vouaobrasil 1 hour ago | parent
nh23423fefe 1 hour ago | parent
acedTrex 1 hour ago | parent
Duh? There is nothing left in the world to be excited about, it has been completely and totally strip mined for profit. We are sitting here in a post discussing the commoditization and industrialization of MATHEMATICS and you are confused that people are 'pessimistic'?
nh23423fefe 1 hour ago | parent
acedTrex 1 hour ago | parent
> But it will not last. Mathematics is about to graduate. It will grow into a full-scale industry and become the true infrastructure of all scientific and technological progress
If your thesis is "that will not actually happen" then say that instead.
vouaobrasil 1 hour ago | parent
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SecretDreams 1 hour ago | parent
It's okay to acknowledge things are worse than they used to be. It informs on the direction that we need to go to improve things. Not everything needs to be forwards just because some billionaires have willed it onto the rest of us.
vouaobrasil 1 hour ago | parent
I believe in people, not tech. Tech past a certain point just makes things worse and always goes beyond a point of diminishing returns where its innovation becomes a mere arms race.
CamperBob2 48 minutes ago | parent
Other sites beckon.
shiandow 1 hour ago | parent
kbrannigan 58 minutes ago | parent
strbean 48 minutes ago | parent
There may be a finite point at which we've proven and codified everything but the most inane meta-meta-meta-maths though.
gobdovan 23 minutes ago | parent
wisty 54 minutes ago | parent
Maaaybe.
On the other hand, proofs was the main thing that distinguished good mathemeticians. It was the way of sorting out who should be a math professor.
It's probably a bit of a blow for math professors. For almost everyone down the "food chain" though - who cares? I'd argue that mathematical thinking is still very useful, even if you offload the heavy lifting to power tools. Math teachers still need to exist. Math tests probably still make sense - you want to incentivise learning, and test to see who the brightest or most studious students are. Math will still be used for physics, economics, etc - no one actually cared about most of the new proofs anyway, it was just a fun tournament to pick math professors with a side effect of generating a bit new knowledge.
At some point, maybe humans don't need to make decisions. We can just sit in VR racks being fed and entertained by AI like we're in The Matrix or Wall-E, as they fill some age-old instruction to make the humans happy and healthy. But until then, humans still need to make decisions, and mathematical thinking makes us better at that.
mehrzad 34 minutes ago | parent
mathisfun123 52 minutes ago | parent
dyauspitr 11 minutes ago | parent
hardbass 4 minutes ago | parent
Observational astronomy is the most easily automated field, survey telescopes already scan the skies by automatic schedules.
caaqil 51 minutes ago | parent
gobdovan 48 minutes ago | parent
I am pretty sure in the next couple of years we'll see more evolved sledgehammers [0], maybe with LLM-like tech playing a role in encoding theorems, that will allow us to prove deeper than we can do manually, then help with the archeology and extraction of learnings from observing the 'trace' of certified proofs. So instead of explore -> understand -> solve, we'll get solve -> compress -> understand.
[0] e.g. https://isabelle.in.tum.de/website-Isabelle2025/dist/Isabell...
paulorlando 45 minutes ago | parent
He was anti: - Machinery replacing handicraft (skill disappeared and poverty followed) - Labor-saving machines replacing human workers (workers became expendable) - Doctors replacing consequences (people lost self-control) - Railways replacing constraint and slowness (harm spread faster)
But he loved the sewing machine.
Gandhi’s test for whether to accept tech-driven change was whether it satisfied primary needs. Interpretation of those needs was certainly not universal. As he wrote: "...it is not the primary need of man to traverse distances with the rapidity of a motor car. The needle on the contrary happens to be an essential thing in life, a primary need.”
That's the airplane in this post. Excitement or fear of the AI airplane is either judged as helping mathematicians (sewing machine) or doing something not quite right (the above machinery/doctor/railway)...
Waterluvian 20 minutes ago | parent
He also seems backwards on the outcomes of things like what you listed. Those things all raised people out of poverty and serfdom.
It’s interesting, though, to see someone as revered as Gandhi having to add epicycles to his beliefs after having seen the other side of it.