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Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk"

376 points j-bu 2 hours ago 41 comments

spwa4 2 hours ago | parent

Don't believe Mistral. They're wrong. It's really called "Le chaton fat".

Also 1T-A49B. Weights currently closed but promise to open source them by the end of the month.

Great release movie.

alterom 1 hour ago | parent

>Don't believe Mistral. They're wrong. It's really called "Le chaton fat".

OpenAI's therapist: Le Chaton Fat isn't real and cannot hurt you

Le Chaton Fat:

tosh 2 hours ago | parent

sorting the charts like that gives off weird vibes

jasonjmcghee 1 hour ago | parent

Had the same thought - feels chart crime adjacent

lern_too_spel 1 hour ago | parent

Bar charts should start at zero. If they don't start at zero, there should be a clear visual indicator that the chart has been trimmed without having to read the axis labels. I hate that this has to be repeated so often that it has become a cliché.

clavicle1009 2 hours ago | parent

YES finally

baggachipz 2 hours ago | parent

Now THAT'S how you name a model. Take note, others.

taspeotis 2 hours ago | parent

Did they release it again? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49977979

stronglikedan 1 hour ago | parent

Of course not. That's clearly a different URL.

chevman 1 hour ago | parent

This is awesome, one of the coolest Pokemon ever too for those that don't follow that universe :)

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Lechonk_(Pok%C3%A9mo...

maelito 24 minutes ago | parent

Was wondering what Le Chonk meant (not French).

theturtletalks 1 hour ago | parent

A bit disappointing to see it still lagging behind Chinese open models. Those Chinese models are pushing proprietary models to raise the bar, but we need equally strong non-Chinese open models to challenge the Chinese ones in turn.

vessenes 1 hour ago | parent

Very nice progress. Also I respect putting Kimi on those charts. Regardless of if they are beating the Pareto frontier (not now), model diversity is a good thing for humanity — I’m hopeful for the team to keep increasing their gains.

ChrisArchitect 1 hour ago | parent

Some more discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49977979

danslo 1 hour ago | parent

Open weight, European, competes with GLM-5.3 on cybersecurity. What's not to like?

Culonavirus 6 minutes ago | parent

It's French, duh. They'll probably surrender half of the company to the Germans after receiving a strongly (compound-)worded letter.

redanddead 1 hour ago | parent

better than K3 and DS4, cool

rglover 1 hour ago | parent

Excited to try this. The low costs v. benchmarks alone here are worth a serious test. K3 has been my daily driver for a month or two now and it's dramatically reduced token spend (while not having much of a negative impact on productivity).

This was the era of the AI race I was waiting for.

netvarun 52 minutes ago | parent

Curious now that SOL is cheaper than k3 - is k3 still your primary workhorse?

plastic-enjoyer 1 hour ago | parent

We are so back

maz1b 1 hour ago | parent

I'm glad they're keeping at it!

amelius 1 hour ago | parent

Dupe.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49977979 (200 comments now)

aennassiri 1 hour ago | parent

Excited to see this! Nice that they are saying this is just a first step.

Give them more compute!

xpct 1 hour ago | parent

I don't know why, but I personally find Mistral's marketing strategy much more appealing than that of other companies.

For example, there's something about Anthropic's picked design and their little Claude avatars that's unsettling to me.

walrus01 1 hour ago | parent

I think there's such a thing as throwing too many marketing and sales people and too much polishing and "refinement" at something. I see in new product announcements from Microsoft as well. It's like seeing someone try too hard to impress you.

HPsquared 8 minutes ago | parent

Yes, sets off the spidey senses.

InsideOutSanta 8 minutes ago | parent

They've polished all personality out of their companies.

fidotron 1 hour ago | parent

The entire Anthropic branding is religious kitsch - deeply off putting, but apparently quite reflective of their reality.

oytis 49 minutes ago | parent

And their cookie banner. Never thought I would like a cookie banner

isoprophlex 36 minutes ago | parent

The logo isnt a stylized butthole. That sure helps endear me to them.

booty 34 minutes ago | parent

Sans context, I really like the Anthropic and Claude's faux-academic, minimal-ish, intellectual-ish branding.

(Especially the way it looked ~12 months ago -- it's gotten more cluttered since then. Perhaps unavoidably, as the breadth of their offerings has grown)

But over time it's begun to feel like unsettling cognitive dissonance as their ambitions grow and the stuff to worry about has piled up.

sinan-faizal 1 hour ago | parent

i subbmitted a partnership proposal in your contact.

Razengan 1 hour ago | parent

Awh I was half expecting a zombie pirate..

bartstp 1 hour ago | parent

How could I resist switching to a model named after my cat!?

laserbeam 57 minutes ago | parent

Stats be damned irrelevant. The naming is good with this one!

volkk 24 minutes ago | parent

you and 10k other redditors

timcobb 47 minutes ago | parent

> Trained from scratch

How are they training without pirating the Z library corpus and all that?

sigmar 14 minutes ago | parent

I interpret "scratch" to mean brand new weights. Not that they aren't training on a corpus of human text

DevKoala 35 minutes ago | parent

One step closer to Le Chaton Fat.

juliennakache 20 minutes ago | parent

Is that a reference to LeChuck in Monkey Island? Love that game!

jkingsman 16 minutes ago | parent

I think it's actually a wink and a nod towards the social media meme of "Le Chaton Fat," a fictional model that is jokingly attributed to Mistral, usually with century-defining benchmarks and unfathomable size.

https://x.com/i/trending/2066326562623127678

square_usual 14 minutes ago | parent

No, it's a play on the Twitter/Reddit memeing about "Le Chaton Fat", see: https://www.reddit.com/r/MistralAI/comments/1u6f0dm/what_is_...

You'd be surprised how much of the AI world is fueled by memes.