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TheAmazingRace 2 hours ago | parent

I wonder if we have an AI LLM equivalent to Moore's Law. Like how often do we expect improvement in this technology and with what timing?

himata4113 2 hours ago | parent

double the information density every 2 days?

serious bit: if you think about how these smaller models work, at the end of the day it seems that they are now capable of forgetting useless information because they're able to derive it in reasoning allowing models to become smaller at the cost of requiring more reasoning tokens to solve a task.

qeternity 2 hours ago | parent

Knowledge will be shifted to systems like n-gram augmentation which are relatively cheap and will not compete with reasoning capabilities for weight saturation.

dyauspitr 2 hours ago | parent

Hopefully enough runway for an existing model to train the next to be better than itself with absolutely no human intervention.

bravetraveler 2 hours ago | parent

I've heard tell about 100% of certain types of work being ended in batches of six months. For years. Truthfully, I'm skeptical, but accuracy wasn't prioritized.

ChaseRensberger 2 hours ago | parent

reminds me of this blog post: https://campedersen.com/singularity

onlyrealcuzzo 2 hours ago | parent

Yes -> every 18 months they've gotten 90% more efficient for the same level of quality for about 5 years. There's little sign that trend is slowing. If anything, there's reason to believe that System 1 models (plus potentially 1-2-3 workflows) may increase that over the next 3-5 years.

You'll know when the trend stops -> when the intelligence differential between smaller models like 7B starts to grow instead of shrink from 32B models -> that means 7B is getting about as smart as it can get. Then, 32B will follow next, then 70B, etc etc.

We haven't yet seen that at any size AFAIK.

thefourthchime 2 hours ago | parent

Andrej Karpathy said once that he expects superintelligence could fit in 1 billion parameters.

onlyrealcuzzo 1 hour ago | parent

Super intelligence that doesn't have to deal with the real world, maybe.

I wouldn't be surprised if less than 1B param equivalent of our brain deals with solving math and writing computer programs and physics and all the things we tend to associate with "intelligence" - especially if you ultra optimized for that, I doubt our brain works like that.

Dealing with the real world, I highly highly doubt it.

jstummbillig 1 hour ago | parent

How about if we get away from written text as the input, to something more fundamental, that then also is able to produce text (among other things)?

Given that humans learn to talk while having encountered a measly number of word instances, and, given enough time, we should always be able to improve on the lottery that is biology, it does seems fairly likely.

istjohn 2 hours ago | parent

According to Epoch AI:

> The cost of achieving a given level of AI performance has fallen about 47% per quarter since 2023, or 13× per year. [0]

0. https://epoch.ai/publications/the-plunging-price-of-thought

FooBarWidget 1 hour ago | parent

Then why are AI plans still so super expensive, and AI spending going through the roof, while all the subsidies are ending?

jstummbillig 1 hour ago | parent

Because it's increasingly useful and the thing you are substituting (human time) is much more expensive.

teaearlgraycold 1 hour ago | parent

At least for me the Claude plans seem like an incredible deal and I never hit my limit.

adgjlsfhk1 1 hour ago | parent

The cost per fixed level of intelligence is dropping, but we're also getting dramatically more intelligent models.

jrflo 1 hour ago | parent

Because models are only getting better at a rate of 10% per year, people always want the best quality possible. You can get SotA performance from a year ago for a fraction of the cost, but why would you use Opus 4.5 when you can use Opus 5.5?

srdjanr 37 minutes ago | parent

Apart from what others said about using more intelligent models instead of cheaper ones, token usage is also increasing a lot. Classic Jevons paradox

sfkgtbor 2 hours ago | parent

Happy about the Sonnet cache read price cut.

minimaxir 2 hours ago | parent

That was effectively required to match GPT-6.1 Sol (costs and caching prices are now equal). Sonnet 5.5 made zero sense to use over Opus 5.5 under the old cache prices.

minimaxir 2 hours ago | parent

Pricing is...a bit weird.

    Input
    $0.10 / MTok for prompts up to 100,000 tokens
    $0.50 / MTok for prompts over 100,000 tokens

    Output 
    $0.50 / MTok for prompts up to 100,000 tokens
    $2.50 / MTok for prompts over 100,000 tokens
100k tokens is an absurdly low cutoff and it is only applicable to Haiku and not Sonnet or Opus. It's a low enough cutoff that it will be quickly exceeded if you are doing anything with Agents; for typical generation or Jev-like classifiers, it's a good value and as noted in this article, that is apparently the vast majority of Haiku use.

In both cases, still much cheaper than Haiku 4.5's $1 input / $5 output and these prices better compete with GPT-6 Luna. ($0.10 input / $0.50 output, but with no token threshold [EDIT: the threshold for Luna is apparently 272k])

giancarlostoro 2 hours ago | parent

I with they'd give Haiku like 400k tokens roughly, I think between 400k or even 600k tokens is a sweet spot, but Haiku is basically designed to be for small edits is my understanding, but it sucks because any time I ask Opus to "try" letting Haiku do the work, it just falls apart and Opus comes back and tells me it switched to Sonnet (even before Sonnet finally jumped up to 5.x).

I will try the new Haiku, but it would be worthwhile if Haiku could take sane instructions and do all file editing for Opus / Sonnet / Fable then it would be worth using.

tr4656 2 hours ago | parent

Luna does as well, but just at a higher limit.

From OpenAI's website: Prompts with more than 272K input tokens are priced at 2x input and cache rates and 1.5x output for the full request.

minimaxir 2 hours ago | parent

Huh, that disclaimer is on the model page (https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/models/gpt-6-luna) but not the pricing page. Annoying.

Fixed.

tripleee 1 hour ago | parent

So even at the 1.5x/2x rate luna is still half the price of this. Weird pricing strategy from Anthropic. I'm sticking with Luna if I don't need a super smart model

usef- 10 minutes ago | parent

You're judging purely by token cost I assume, not cost per completed task?

The benchmark in the article showed it as lower per completed task than luna, but I guess we'll find out how representative that is. Anthropic has generally been fairly honest in their benchmarking though.

tripleee 5 minutes ago | parent

yes, that's true. I should be looking at the $/completed task

j45 2 hours ago | parent

It could be to incentivize people to not be lazy users of tokens.

Eridrus 2 hours ago | parent

It's actually existing flat per-token pricing that is weird.

Neither encode nor decode are linear in compute, so providers need to price for average expected length.

This is just getting closer to the true cost of generating tokens.

sebzim4500 1 hour ago | parent

Flat pricing is weird too but jumping up 5x at one cutoff is surprising in the other direction IMO

foota 56 minutes ago | parent

My theory here is that providers cover the non-constant costs of output tokens as context length caries using the cache input fees.

insanitybit 2 hours ago | parent

I mostly use Haiku for really, really basic stuff, never for actual engaging work. I've used it for first-pass analysis to triage bugs, for example - all it does is related N bugs together to see if any potentially relate. Then I have Sonnet investigate further.

dannyw 2 hours ago | parent

Haiku 5.5 is noticeably smarter than GPT-6 Luna, so I can see their pricing strategy here.

For a while Anthropic has lacked a cost effective “cheap” LLM for summarisation, compacting, RAG helpers, etc.

These ‘ephemeral’ workloads are often under 100k tokens, or can be structured to be under 100k.

In some coding benchmarks, Haiku 5.5 beats Sonnet 5! (Especially implementation; do a well defined Jira ticket; etc), it’s really impressive how much intelligence per dollar has grown in just a few short months.

WinstonSmith84 1 hour ago | parent

noticeably smarter remains to be seen in practice. For now, Haiku is a bit more expensive than Luna on < 100k token, but I just don't have any agentic work below 100k, so this is going to be 5x more expensive than shown on these charts. It's hardly competitive ...

system2 2 hours ago | parent

Who in their right mind would use haiku while Mimo or GLM cost 10% of what they are charging with much smarter models?

user43928 2 hours ago | parent

Presumably everyone who doesn't bother integrating a third party API key into their harness, which would probably be most of the Claude Code users.

wyrdcurt 1 hour ago | parent

Some people/organizations are ideologically opposed to using Chinese models. Not me, I use GLM-5.3-Flash for almost everything (the subscription-subsidized pricing on a legacy Z.ai plan makes it the best value model by a wide margin), along with some MiMo and DeepSeek. Still, I use Luna for certain tasks where speed is more valuable than performance; I can see this new Haiku displacing Luna for those. If you mean Haiku 4.5 though I agree, that model was a waste of time and money.

mrngld 1 hour ago | parent

That's not what any benchmarks that look at cost per task or similar says in terms of cost. The Chinese models, generally speaking, might be cheaper per token but need a lot more tokens to get there.

aesthesia 1 hour ago | parent

There really aren't any models at 10% of the price of Luna or Haiku.

skeledrew 1 hour ago | parent

Well, unless you're using OpenCode Go, it's per-token costs (even if already super low), while Haiku falls under the Claude sub. It's just more straight forward and you aren't feeling a "loss" with the sub.

pkulak 6 minutes ago | parent

Where do you get this 10% number? Checking providers I know/respect, and GLM 5.3 flash is $0.15/m. Haiku is $0.10/m.

usef- 6 minutes ago | parent

Most people are on subscription pricing. A $20 Anthropic subscription gives >$500 equivalent tokens, which is not so different, and you get smarter models.

esafak 2 hours ago | parent

It's their creative way of 'matching' Luna's prices.

AustinDev 2 hours ago | parent

encode and decode tok/s which is ($/s) when it comes to pricing drops heavily above 100k tokens.

There are plenty of workflows like translations where you'd easily be under the cap.

enraged_camel 2 hours ago | parent

>> 100k tokens is an absurdly low cutoff and it is only applicable to Haiku and not Sonnet or Opus. It's a low enough cutoff that it will be quickly exceeded if you are doing anything with Agents

Your vibes don't appear to be supported by facts. From the announcement:

>> Claude Haiku 5.5 is priced 90% lower than Claude Haiku 4.5 for requests up to 100,000 tokens, and 50% lower for requests over 100,000 tokens. On Haiku 4.5, 90% of requests fell into the former category.

Philpax 2 hours ago | parent

People weren't using Haiku 4.5 for agents before. 5.5 is good enough that it might be.

StilesCrisis 1 hour ago | parent

Haiku 4.5 users were using it for Kleenex requests because that was the best it could do.

enraged_camel 39 minutes ago | parent

Not really. We use Haiku 4.5 to turn users' natural language queries and requests into fairly complex structured specs for interior design and construction. It has near perfect accuracy.

Tiberium 2 hours ago | parent

There's also a tokenizer efficiency difference: modern Claude's 100K tokens are about ~60-65K modern GPT tokens, so in reality the Luna cutoff is much further away than the Haiku one.

You can test with Anthropic's count_tokens endpoint or with https://crates.io/crates/tokwc

AtNightWeCode 1 hour ago | parent

> ...this tokenizer, the same input text produces approximately 30% more tokens on Claude Haiku 5.5 than on Claude Haiku 4.5.

So, it is might be even worse.

Tiberium 1 hour ago | parent

No, it's just Haiku 4.5 is so old that it predates the new Claude tokenizer change in Claude 4.7+

HarHarVeryFunny 2 hours ago | parent

Notable that one suggested use case for Haiku is "classification requests", i.e. Jev competitor, and the pricing matches GPT-6 Luna which is behind OpenAI's "Decisions API" Jev competitor.

For this application 100K token input is plenty.

Of course Anthropic and OpenAI, both at $0.10/M, are still 2.5x the cost of Jev's $0.04/M.

martianvoid 2 hours ago | parent

I think the 2.5 times cost but actually pays off in terms of intelligence compared to jev and the general capability of using it beyond classification

HarHarVeryFunny 1 hour ago | parent

The classification performance remains to be seen, but presumably we'll soon start to see classification benchmarks.

For other tasks like summaries (another suggested usage) it's good to see Haiku and Luna now competing against each other on cost.

I'd love to know how the business automation market breaks down by volume of call type though - hard to imagine that decision making (e.g. branching, triage) isn't a very large part of it, greater than these other suggested Haiku use cases.

port3000 2 hours ago | parent

They are targeting businesses/API use for fast decision making and agent integration. Plus they now need to be competitive with Jev-type models in that space.

mnicky 1 hour ago | parent

You could also use it as a subagent prompted eg by Sonnet/Opus orchestrator agent and for many agentic workflows significant part of the dispatched tasks might be under 100k budget.

alexchamberlain 1 hour ago | parent

Isn't it less than a year since Claude models went from 100k token limit to 1M limit? Don't get me wrong - my main agent normally gets to 25% or so before I clear it these days, but as a subagent, doing research or summarisation, I don't think 100k is "absurdly low".

sixtyj 10 minutes ago | parent

Chatbot could be < 100k tokens.

maz1b 2 hours ago | parent

Wow, the rate of improvements in the AI era is staggering.

GDPval-AA v2.1 as of now: 1620

GDPval-AA v2.1 for Haiku 4.5: 735

The 100k tokens pricing makes sense, looks to be a hedge against OpenAI's decisions API and Jev or its open source alternatives that are springing up.

Nice release, congrats to Anthropic.

sroussey 2 hours ago | parent

It’s about time Haiku got an update!

iagocc 2 hours ago | parent

Where is Pelican? ehehhe

TomGarden 2 hours ago | parent

From these selected benchmarks, it looks like it smokes Luna capability-wise. Excited to put it through its paces

margorczynski 2 hours ago | parent

How does the price compare to Luna? At least looking at the numbers it is noticeably better at most tasks.

onlyrealcuzzo 2 hours ago | parent

IMO, this is better. Luna is super cheap, but it's not that capable. At higher levels of reasoning, it's not that fast.

This is more expensive, but it also looks like it's better enough that it's far more useful.

I also won't be surprised if you look at cost per completed task + wall clock time that it comes out ahead for the majority of what you'd want to actually use it for.

Luna will still be a great option for doing non-engineering tasks super cheaply.

TomGarden 2 hours ago | parent

For prompts under 100k tokens, it's priced the same as Luna - $0.10 in, $0.50 out.

For prompts over 100k tokens it's 5 times more expensive - $0.50 in, $2.50 out.

simianwords 2 hours ago | parent

I remember a friend asking me why LLMs suck so bad. She was using Haiku 4.5 and that poor model couldn't keep track of the context within 3 messages.

She said she was using Haiku 4.5 because she was advised to be careful with the spending.

I hate that model so much lol.

seaal 2 hours ago | parent

The monthly API credits for Max plan seems fantastic, especially considering Haiku pricing. Being able to actually use my Claude plan for other harnesses and use-cases on top of regular CC usage is everything I wanted.

Anthropic has really been doing all the right things in the past few weeks, while OpenAI continues to fumble the bag.

0gs 2 hours ago | parent

yeah totally agree. esp how efficient it can be to have a subscription quota-paid orch spin up a bunch of API agents, this is kind of like free money to encourage what was already an easy way to save money (via batch pricing)

thepasch 2 hours ago | parent

Note that this is Anthropic Trojan-Horsing the previously announced June change in with a model release, where the Claude Agent SDK can no longer be used with Claude subscriptions and is now billed with API credits only.

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...

InsideOutSanta 1 hour ago | parent

Ah, that sucks. I'm using Paseo to run Claude Code; I guess that just got a whole lot more complicated.

skeledrew 1 hour ago | parent

> Being able to actually use my Claude plan for other harnesses

Wait what? This has gotten their blessing?

patrickwdaly 2 hours ago | parent

How are y'all using Haiku though? I rarely select it.

svachalek 2 hours ago | parent

Opus often picks it when it's doing a "find me something" subagent. But largely it's been held back by being fully a year old at this point, and priced at a much higher price than models that are far more capable.

steve_adams_86 2 hours ago | parent

It's great at parsing documents inexpensively. For the few skills/plugins I've made, I usually instruct Claude to use Haiku for low-reasoning grunt work.

mariocesar 2 hours ago | parent

I have a zsh functions that calls claude code with haiku to suggest commit messages, is faster and the instructions are two lines.

I also have an "ask" script that I use daily to ask simple stuff, it can access websearch and webfetch, it's more than enough to parse logs, ask for commands, quick research on the internet, small stuff. https://github.com/mariocesar/dotfiles/blob/main/common/.loc...

I use haiku for things that needs to be quick, have really clear instructions.

gghootch 2 hours ago | parent

I was waiting for this.

Planning on doing flash analyses of PRs that impact evals in some way, and then post comments on GitHub whenever there’s flaws in them

( https://evalship.com )

swalsh 2 hours ago | parent

I've been using GPT-6 Luna in some capacity for nearly all my agent workflows. It's just a really good model, and the pricing is cheap. If Haiku 5.5 is better, and the same price (under 100k context... which is a big caveat) i'd probably swap it.

dannyw 2 hours ago | parent

It’s absolutely better than Luna. It feels closer to a “sonnet 5.2” if that makes sense.

Of course it’s not as big, and hence falls-off quicker. I’d consider the 100k a “promotional price” to match Luna’s token pricing while delivering noticeably more intelligence.

Plutoberth 2 hours ago | parent

I'm building a game that incorporates LLMs as a game mechanic.

I've been using Luna, but I'll probably switch to Haiku.

notatoad 1 hour ago | parent

not haiku, but luna - last week i used it for things like "read this historical dump of 15k support tickets and break them into categories that make sense, then propose help docs that i could write to handle the most frequent queries in each category"

used <10% of my 5hr limit on a $100 codex plan.

hector_vasquez 1 hour ago | parent

My software application uses Haiku in production more or less as a Jev. I do not use it for coding or development.

tpoacher 2 hours ago | parent

Good to see Anthropic back alternative OSes.

afrnswrth 2 hours ago | parent

The important question though...how does it do making a pelican on a bicycle?

caaqil 2 hours ago | parent

> Haiku 5.5’s cybersecurity safeguards are more restrictive than Haiku 4.5’s, but somewhat less restrictive than those we’ve applied to other recent models. In cybersecurity, they permit a wider range of defensive tasks than our safeguards for Sonnet 5.5, but they still block penetration testing and other techniques more likely to be used by attackers.

If you block pentest or "other techniques more likely to be used by attackers", then what does "permit a wider range of defensive tasks" even mean?

Any defensive task that's meaningful is almost indistinguishable from legitimate red-teaming that then falls under 'likely to be used by attackers". If only they would just stop nerfing these models, that'd be great. No APT is waiting around for Anthropic's permission, so might as well let us have some cool stuff.

TuxSH 1 hour ago | parent

Yeah it's too little too late, cat's out of the bag as people know that GLM 5.3 exists and is great at defensive and offensive cybersec.

(sadly Mistral Large 4 isn't up to par - but Mistral serves GLM at 130 tps!)

simianwords 2 hours ago | parent

> Second, this week, we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200, and Team subscribers will receive up to $500, pooled across their users. These credits are designed to allow our users to experiment with building tools, apps, and agents that call our API. They can be used on any of our models. For more information, see our Help Center article.

Did anyone read this? We get free API credits on some plans now

swalsh 2 hours ago | parent

Top of the page in 17 minutes? Now I know what y'all do while your agents are working.

skeledrew 1 hour ago | parent

It's a brave new world... of idleness!

AtNightWeCode 2 hours ago | parent

Probably the same scam as the last Haiku update I guess. Uses more tokens to compensate for the lower price.

AtNightWeCode 53 minutes ago | parent

To correct myself. The price was not lower. It was up about 20% for the tokens. But, the big price hike was that it used a lot more tokens for the same tasks.

charlesabarnes 2 hours ago | parent

> Second, this week, we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200, and Team subscribers will receive up to $500, pooled across their users

This is a very big benefit for me. I can now ship actual ai enhanced features behind my subscription without paying extra or fully relying on on-device models. I do worry that this is to soften the blow for user-unfriendly changes

geek_at 2 hours ago | parent

This is literally for you to get tangled in their api and when they stop giving you the allowance they hope you will just continue to pay

enraged_camel 1 hour ago | parent

What does "tangled in their api" mean? Switching is pretty easy.

charcircuit 1 hour ago | parent

Not really, you have to fiddle with generating api keys and setting environment variables. Meanwhile with Anthropic it will just start charging you API prices for the tokens you are generating without even a single warning.

enraged_camel 1 hour ago | parent

>> Not really, you have to fiddle with generating api keys and setting environment variables.

That's 5-15 minutes of work at most. Not exactly the type of lock-in the parent is implying.

charcircuit 1 hour ago | parent

The user could have always done that regardless of if the user has the option to be charged API rates on or off.

tomjen3 1 hour ago | parent

That's an old tactic for an old world. You only need, what, half an hour with your agent of choice to write you out of that?

losvedir 1 hour ago | parent

Nah, it's pretty trivial to switch providers (especially with Claude's help, ha).

This is more to encourage people to try out adding AI into their product, which is a totally different flow and experience from using AI to build the product.

tech234a 2 hours ago | parent

OpenAI will probably add this to their plans within a week

alasano 1 hour ago | parent

With OpenAI you can just use Oauth and get a token to use your subscription.

Anthropic isn't even close to being this useful.

Iolaum 1 hour ago | parent

Biggest reason for an OAI subscription instead of Ant imo.

Biggest loss is that Ant models look like they are genuinely better.

matsz 1 hour ago | parent

> Biggest loss is that Ant models look like they are genuinely better.

This changes on a weekly basis, I ended up with subscriptions to most of the providers (except for X.ai).

thepasch 1 hour ago | parent

This is them sneaking in taking the Claude Agent SDK (claude -p) off of subscription plans through the back door along with a model release. They previously wanted to do this in June, but backpedaled after huge backlash:

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...

sambaumann 1 hour ago | parent

Even after the June changes there was some allowance to use agent SDK on the pro plan. This will move me to codex tomorrow if agent SDK is really blocked on pro

sanex 1 hour ago | parent

Those mfers. I'm using this for work! I use my work teams plan with pi so I can do all kinds of custom workflows that I can't in Claude Code. Time to convince management I need OpenAI instead.

stsch 1 hour ago | parent

Time to convince management (and yourself) to build some skills. :)

sanex 42 minutes ago | parent

Spent many years building skills, I'm just working on a different level now.

martinald 1 hour ago | parent

Do we know if claude -p is now drawing from this API usage?

thepasch 1 hour ago | parent

That's what the Agent SDK is, according to this help page:

https://code.claude.com/docs/en/headless

So, as written, yes.

ziga 32 minutes ago | parent

Not yet, as of version 2.1.293. But I suspect this is coming next.

tekacs 58 minutes ago | parent

I hope people notice again that this is happening this time around.

Being forced through the non-OSS Claude Code with all of its quirks and issues is... such an exhausting use of force by Anthropic.

To the extent that you _can_ choose to disable telemetry and training on your traces in CC, it's not all that obvious what they gain by crippling your ability to use the subscription with other – better – tools.

It's also remarkable that it's coincident with OpenAI adding "Sign in with OpenAI", so that you can use your tokens with other tools.

eli 28 minutes ago | parent

The page does not say anything about changing the way Agent SDK bills. I just tested Agent SDK and nothing has changed (yet).

You might be right and they will change this in the future, but that's speculative

thepasch 27 minutes ago | parent

> Claude Max and Team plans now include monthly API credits, which cover the Claude Agent SDK, the Claude API, and Claude Managed Agents.

This text has replaced the entirety of the page called "Use the Claude Agent SDK with your Claude plan."

eli 17 minutes ago | parent

Yes. Previously the page was all about how they were going to start charging for Agent SDK use with a banner on the top saying that, actually, they weren't going to do that.

thepasch 14 minutes ago | parent

...yes, a banner which has also now disappeared and been replaced, with the explicit mention that API credits "cover the Claude Agent SDK"?

What more do you need?

eli 7 minutes ago | parent

Well, it doesn't currently work that way on the latest SDK. If there's a change coming, it hasn't happened yet.

Topfi 1 hour ago | parent

This is massive. So on top of the regular usage, we now have USD 200,- to freely use via the API however we please, even resell? That is a statement, even knowing that inference does not cost them nearly as much as they charge, this is very developer-friendly. Does some minor de-risking for testing concepts. Terms seem to be reasonable [0].

Of course, they don't do this out of pure kindness, but I really struggle to see a negative for subscribers already using a Claude Max subsection, especially given changing to another model is essentially frictionless.

Compared with "Sign in via OpenAI" which they just announced, this is far less lock-in for anyone hosting services but less interesting for users of said services. With Anthropics approach, you can just use the allowance on your users however you see fit along with any other models and once it's used up, you can still just decide not to use their models for the remainder. With users bringing their tokens meanwhile, there is less flexibility in terms of switching for you, though might be cheaper for users.

Both interesting, each approaching this from a very different direction, each having their own trade-offs. On the OpenAI front, will be interesting whether developers can set specific temp, reasoning budgets, etc. for such "provided tokens" or whether OpenAI exposes that only via the actual API.

[0] https://www.anthropic.com/legal/credit-terms

vickyonlinecont 2 hours ago | parent

Does anyone still use Haiku model?

jstummbillig 2 hours ago | parent

Opus 5.5 does :^)

Bolwin 1 hour ago | parent

I use it for title generation basically. Will have to see where this one fits in

crooked-v 2 hours ago | parent

The important question is, does it talk in incomprehensible Claude-ese like the other Claude 5.x models?

garo-pro 2 hours ago | parent

> Claude Haiku 5.5 is our fastest model to date at each model’s standard speed, although it runs less quickly than our Opus models in Fast Mode.

Opus 5.5 runs 117 tps average on Openrouter, so it must be at least 10-20 tps slower for them to mention. IDK why they mention this as it does not help for marketing though. https://openrouter.ai/anthropic/claude-opus-5.5

jstummbillig 2 hours ago | parent

Maybe they think it's of interest.

fred_dawg 1 hour ago | parent

Is that page showing Opus TPS stats in fast mode? IIRC fast mode is 2.5x speed, so that would be 293 TPS, no?

yorwba 1 hour ago | parent

117 tps is the fast one, regular speed is 69 tps.

wyrdcurt 2 hours ago | parent

About time Anthropic released a competitive cheap model. Haiku 4.5 has been too expensive compared to its performance for months now (in fact I don't remember being too impressed even when it was released). This one actually looks worth using in some scenarios. If it's really as much of a step up from Luna as the benchmarks they've shown indicate, it'll probably replace Luna in my workflows. 100k tokens is a pretty low threshold before the price goes up, but I tend to use these smaller models for smaller tasks anyway.

jjcm 2 hours ago | parent

Ran image -> html tests for this. I was curious if this smaller model was good enough for complex UI. It was not.

Haiku 5.5: https://html.non.io/lcars-haiku-5.5/

Opus 5.5 for comparison: https://html.non.io/lcars-opus-5.5

Designs it was building from: https://diffui.ai/app/canvas/5093e689-1e74-4f26-b632-2a4500f...

One interesting thing is it took a look at the job at hand, and immediately delegated it to Opus 5.5. It at least knows what it isn't good at. Very fast though, and likely best used for small subagent tasks / tightly scoped work.

BrokenCogs 1 hour ago | parent

Neither of these look "good" to me. There is so much visual noise on the page, like someone turned the "AI Slop" dial to 11. In fact I prefer the simpler design Haiku made.

FranzFerdiNaN 1 hour ago | parent

It’s not really AI slop, it’s how most modern SAAS websites look like.

twostorytower 1 hour ago | parent

It's not really about whether the design looks good. It's about if the model can take the design given to it and replicate it in code. Opus 5.5 matches the designs almost to the pixel. Haiku built something else entirely.

BrokenCogs 1 hour ago | parent

I guess I'm giving GP feedback about their product diffui.ai, not really about Opus' performance.

jjcm 1 hour ago | parent

Totally fair, but I'd encourage you not to look at the design so much as the task. This was a design that's part of a benchmark test suite specifically for image->html conversion. The dense visual noise / complexity / flowing svg shapes are things that most LLMs have trouble with.

It's meant to be a good test, not a good design.

thefourthchime 1 hour ago | parent

Pac-Man Bench:

Considering the price, no model comes close to being as good as this. However, it did take an extremely long time.

TIME 19m COST $0.16 https://jonclegg.github.io/pacman-bakeoff/#claude-haiku-5-5

All results: https://jonclegg.github.io/pacman-bakeoff/

onlyrealcuzzo 1 hour ago | parent

How have you avoided being sued by Namco?

thefourthchime 1 hour ago | parent

I'm pretty sure they'll never see this. It's pretty much impossible for anything you do you build nowadays to get noticed anyways.

myzie 1 hour ago | parent

Interesting that you have gpt-6-luna at $0.01 vs. claude-haiku-5-5 at $0.16 for this task. I see the score disparity though and I played them briefly. My takeaway from this is that the choice between Luna and Haiku 5.5 may remain nuanced. Luna may be a lot cheaper still and good enough for some jobs. Is that your read of the results?

rpcope1 50 minutes ago | parent

Something is not right there. DSv4.1 flash shows $1.89 for tens of thousands of tokens? What am I missing?

saretup 1 hour ago | parent

To be fair, you're making it compete with the best public LLM right now that's 2 size/price tiers above it.

jjcm 1 hour ago | parent

Sure, but presumably Haiku was distilled from the same training data. Part of this is seeing how much the capabilities degrade as their model size goes down.

sparklingmango 56 minutes ago | parent

> likely best used for small subagent tasks / tightly scoped work.

Hasn't this always been the case with Haiku?

bouk 1 hour ago | parent

This is great! Been using GPT 6 Luna for decompiling my childhood favorite game (Age of Mythology) and this means I can throw Haiku into the mix as well. 17352/21965 functions matched so far...

gizmodo59 1 hour ago | parent

can you share more details? was this very involved or asking codex/claude/open code with a 1 shot like approach?

bouk 1 hour ago | parent

I'll write a blogpost when I actually have it working, but basically I gave the game .msi installer to claude opus 5.5 and said to read these blogs:

  - https://blog.chrislewis.au/using-coding-agents-to-decompile-nintendo-64-games/
  - https://blog.chrislewis.au/the-long-tail-of-llm-assisted-decompilation/
And to setup a harness that will decompile the game and start doing a matching decompilation of every function. It set up a bunch of tooling and started a service in the background to do this actual decompilation campaign. I put some instructions into the main opus chat now and then to e.g. add automatic git pushing including a nice svg chart of progress and to switch model strategies here and there i.e. to do a first pass with a cheap model and then switch to opus/sol if the small model can't solve it.

I could now one-shot a new game, yeah.

supersour 1 hour ago | parent

Maybe a Show HN? I would be quite interested in seeing the results of this project

anthonypasq 1 hour ago | parent

i love Age of Mythology, but why did you feel the need to decompile it? Its got a great world editor if you were trying to "mod" it.

bouk 1 hour ago | parent

I want to get the original (Age of Mythology Gold Edition) running natively on macOS and then port it to WASM to run it on the web so I can easily play it with friends

MisterMunchkin 35 minutes ago | parent

Intriguing, I wonder how far you could go with turning games into websites.

Like could total war become a browser game?

kro 25 minutes ago | parent

Last time I gave that a try (without LLM assistance though) it was really hard as games DirectX calls cannot simply be glued to WebGL so performance was bad.

skeledrew 1 hour ago | parent

The forgotten model is back on the map. I actually got OK mileage when I tried it for coding months ago. Maybe I'll try it again, with Opus guiding it, and see how it goes.

satvikpendem 1 hour ago | parent

Apparently quite a bit smarter than Luna, I wonder what use cases it can cover. I actually honestly don't need a Haiku level AI to be that smart, and looks like you pay for it in the per token cost, I need speed mainly. I might even rather have a dumber but much faster model for things like web searching and parsing to retrieve results for the app or other LLM to do things with.

areoform 1 hour ago | parent

    > but they still block penetration testing and other techniques more likely to be used by attackers.
    > 
    > Haiku 5.5’s biology safeguards are the same as for Sonnet 5, Sonnet 5.5, and Opus 5. They allow research biology questions but restrict access to requests that we judge as likely to cause harm. Organizations working on wider-ranging biology and cyber activities can apply to our Life Sciences Verification Program and Cyber Verification Program.
I would like to take a moment of your time to tell you about some of the "bioweapons" Anthropic has blocked that involved Haiku!

These are the examples from "Detecting and countering misuse of AI: September 2026" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49647300

    > Importantly, because our biological safety classifiers robustly block content involving high-risk biological research (in this case, the construction of enhanced pandemic potential pathogens), all of these exchanges occurred on models in our weakest class of models (specifically, the models were Claude Sonnet 4 and Haiku 4.5, the latter of which the user began using after Sonnet 4 was deprecated). 
    >
    > Upon a detailed examination of the exchanges, we estimate that the uplift provided by Claude was primarily clerical assistance in data analysis, study ideation and design. This is consistent with our understanding of the capabilities of Sonnet 4 and Haiku 4.5, which are not able to perform expert-level biology research tasks; we estimate that the uplift provided to the researcher was limited and substantially lower than it would have been from one of our more capable models.
Anthropic then says for the above, "we estimate that the uplift provided by Claude was primarily clerical assistance in data analysis, study ideation and design"

While doing my best to avoid comment, please note, they're talking about a domain expert in a state research institution using Claude to do paperwork.

What did they save us from? What bioweapons did these filters prevent? From the front matter report,

    > The above LLM platform is not the only route via which researchers engaged in viral gain-of-function research have used our platform. In May 2026, we discovered a researcher outside the US using Claude in their research on highly-pathogenic avian influenza (“bird flu”). The research focused on viruses’ adaptation to mammals, and the mechanism by which it causes severe disease beyond the respiratory tract.
OK. Sounds serious. "Gain of function research..." but who and why?

    > The researcher pursued this work in a credible institutional context, and interacted with Claude over the course of several weeks, exchanging thousands of messages. In these exchanges, the researcher leveraged Claude’s knowledge of the scientific literature to assist the researcher in study planning and design, data analysis, and the interpretation and prioritization of experiments. The researcher also used Claude for editorial assistance in writing up the research.
So this was a researcher inside of some country's national lab ("credible institutional context") doing research on dangerous viruses using Claude for "for editorial assistance in writing up the research."

What "uplift" are you providing to scientists working at specialized global BSL-4 labs that already have – and I quote their report - "physical access to such isolates." (as in samples of viruses)? Are we uplifting their grammar?

These "safeguards" are being expanded. The scientists I know can't use Claude for grammar checks or anything serious. You can try it for yourself.

Topfi 1 hour ago | parent

131tok/s P50 according to OpenRouter currently, though might move up or down over the coming days. If it sticks at that speed, roughly twice the throughput of Luna and far lower latency (up to 2sec depending on provider) is impressive, though the 5x price increase beyond 100k is painful.

Was a big fan of Haiku 4.5, though understand why for most Sonnet was the far better option back then.

johnisom2001 1 hour ago | parent

It fails the "How many r's in <word>?" test.

I ask:

> how many r's in diminished

It answers:

> Diminished has 1 r.

mattz56 1 hour ago | parent

It's finally here ! Need to take a look at some benchmark now

axthauvin 1 hour ago | parent

will use it to replace luna in production !

d1l 1 hour ago | parent

At work we use haiku 4.5 for a handful of latency sensitive tasks that are fairly simple. It performs well. Just started testing 5.5 as I’ve been anticipating a nice improvement since it was teased. Results so far are trash. Prompt leakage even. And it’s slower. I guess it’s cheap but I think they got the balance wrong on this.

saretup 1 hour ago | parent

Curious as to why. Haiku 4.5 has been far away from pareto frontier for a long time. Maybe you need to update your prompt for the newer model in your workflow.

3371 1 hour ago | parent

Seeing people talking about the Agents SDK -> credits change makes me wonder does it impact Zed or likes.

dcchambers 1 hour ago | parent

Begging Anthropic to let us use Claude subs with harnesses other than Claude Code at this point.

dangoodmanUT 1 hour ago | parent

> Second, this week, we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200, and Team subscribers will receive up to $500, pooled across their users. These credits are designed to allow our users to experiment with building tools, apps, and agents that call our API.

This is kind of nuts

djeastm 34 minutes ago | parent

Is it realistic or cynical for me to assume this is to wean developers off the heavily subsidized subscriptions? Presumably it's using similar compute.

declanjackson 1 hour ago | parent

According to AA benchmarks, it uses 162k output tokens per task (with max reasoning) - over double GLM-5.3 Flash for similar level of Intelligence

oh_no 1 hour ago | parent

no AA benchmarks yet and the last chart in the announcement makes Haiku look useless vs new Sonnet pricing, interesting to see what 3rd party benchmarks show because i think Anthropic are costpertaskmaxxing here and it's going to look more like that bottom chart than the top ones.

MisterMunchkin 1 hour ago | parent

> we’ll roll out a new monthly API credit to all Max and Team subscribers for use on the Claude Platform. Max 5x users will get $100 in credits per month, Max 20x users will get $200

They’re definitely planning to make the subscriptions API based so they can charge you full price.

simonw 1 hour ago | parent

My complaint about Haiku 4.5 was that it was 10x the price of GPT-6 Luna.

> Claude Haiku 5.5 is priced 90% lower than Claude Haiku 4.5 for requests up to 100,000 tokens, and 50% lower for requests over 100,000 tokens

Haiku and Luna now have the exact same price up to 100,000 tokens. Luna is now cheaper for anything after 100,000 tokens, even after Luna's own price increases at 270,000 it's still less than Haiku.

So it sounds like they've directly addressed that problem. Their self-reported benchmarks are all higher than Luna too.

mrbungie 49 minutes ago | parent

Yep. I was looking at the prices of lower tier models a few weeks ago for zero/few shot tasks (pre Jev) and Haiku rates just didn't make sense at all. I ended up using 5.6-luna.

Good to know that is going back to being an actual option from perf/price perspective.

justmaris 59 minutes ago | parent

Finally it has arrived.

simonw 58 minutes ago | parent

Pelicans riding bicycles for Haiku at the different thinking levels: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...

Low messes up the bicycle frame, but medium/high/xhigh/max all get the bicycle frame right.

The max one took 5 minutes 9 seconds and cost 3.3826 cents. The cheapest one (low) cost 0.0936 cents and took 7 seconds.

The most recent release of my llm-anthropic plugin queries the Anthropic model listing API directly, so I didn't have to upgrade the plugin to add support for this model:

  llm install llm-anthropic -U                                
  llm anthropic refresh
  llm -m claude-haiku-5.5 'prompt goes here'

vinni2 44 minutes ago | parent

I thought Anthropic models didn’t generate images.

abirch 42 minutes ago | parent

They generate svg. You can paste in pngs and they'll convert them to svg with varying degrees of success.

1ucky 42 minutes ago | parent

Those are SVGs not images.

jonshariat 42 minutes ago | parent

SVG is code

fakedang 42 minutes ago | parent

They're SVGs

ghoshbishakh 41 minutes ago | parent

Bruh. Svg. It is like drawing something with geometric shapes which are represented using equations.

simonw 39 minutes ago | parent

This is SVG, but recent Anthropic models have got extremely good at other forms of visual data.

Here's a Blender model I had Claude Opus 5.5 create: https://tools.simonwillison.net/blender-viewer?url=https%3A%...

And here's some animated pixel art by Opus 5.5: https://tools.simonwillison.net/kakapo-party

And some Monkey Island style music (Opus can compose music too): https://tools.simonwillison.net/scrimshaw-jukebox

Anthropic's models do all of this by outputting code. GPT-6 Astra has similar capabilities - I got this Blender model using that: https://tools.simonwillison.net/blender-viewer?url=https%3A%...

jansan 28 minutes ago | parent

They are really good at generating artifacts, which are windows within the replies containing all kind of visualization, often interactive.

They are still not great at SVG. I just asked Opus and Fable to add a background to an SVG and the results were, well, not great.

sixtyj 11 minutes ago | parent

They don’t do raster images.

vunderba 10 minutes ago | parent

I've been playing around with Opus 5.5, which really has made quite a leap over previous generations in being able to basically use a simple drawing instruction domain to generate images.

I put this KQ Style Builder together which creates Sierra AGI-style adventure game scenes painted live from *basic drawing instructions* so you can basically provide it an empty canvas and then position text labels on the canvas where you want certain things (tavern, oak tree, etc) and it will generate a custom script for rendering them in a EGA graphics style.

https://kq-styles.specr.net

sixothree 6 minutes ago | parent

I've created multiple videos using Claude Code, including music and speech. It generates python which in turn generates frame PNGs that it runs through ffmpeg.

Please don't judge me too harshly for this poop video. But here is an example of something 100% generated with claude prompts only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EqMplbt0gU

ozgung 11 minutes ago | parent

Of course, the sun again. Everyone knows that a pelican can't ride a bicycle without a sun in the frame and can only go right.

the__alchemist 50 minutes ago | parent

I am perpetually confused about every name and version combination from both OpenAI and Anthropic. Especially in conjunction with the effort levels.

djoldman 32 minutes ago | parent

https://www.anthropic.com/claude-haiku-5-5#further-updates

This section makes the reader think: why would I not pick Sonnet 5.5 instead of Haiku 5.5?

waximabbax 20 minutes ago | parent

Alright its still little early since there is not enough independent testing but this looks very promising and I wasn't expecting anthropic to beat GPT-6 Luna especially at the same price. Haiku 5.5 beats Luna on every shared benchmark Anthropic published, particularly computer use and agentic coding.

hidelooktropic 19 minutes ago | parent

Finally! I understand Haiku is the less intelligent model, but the gap between Sonnet and Opus has been far too wide for about a year now.