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Rust Port of TypeScript (Tsc)

43 points jcbhmr 1 hour ago 51 comments

ingen0s 1 hour ago | parent

Wait - you spent north of $400,000?

colomo 1 hour ago | parent

$420,000 worth of tokens, though I'm pretty sure he used subs.

spense 1 hour ago | parent

> I did over $400,000 in API priced tokens

i'd bet this is a few subscriptions over a few months rather than paying directly for tokens.

hedgehog 1 hour ago | parent

Sibling dead comment said it already but that's likely an estimate of what it would cost via API and in practice it was a few hundred or thousand dollars of subscription fees.

JacobAsmuth 1 hour ago | parent

Most of it was wasted on OpenAI tokens. It actually cost them $24k USD according to the github description.

sghiassy 1 hour ago | parent

Assuming he used $400,000 in tokens, but used subs

I wonder how much AI companies lost on this?

Edit: not that I’m worried about them, I’m just curious

esperent 58 minutes ago | parent

> I wonder how much AI companies lost on this?

Probably zero, or even a profit. The idea that these companies are making a loss on subscriptions is an unsubstantiated HN fallacy.

On the contrary, they're probably making a small profit on subscriptions, or at least break even, and absolute bank on API pricing. Anthropic recently reported an 80% gross profit margin, for example.

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/anthropic-t...

adrianvincent 40 minutes ago | parent

Profitable, if you just ignore how much money they spend

janalsncm 38 minutes ago | parent

Excited for their IPO just to put this to bed, one way or another.

MBCook 38 minutes ago | parent

What are “subs”?

sghiassy 19 minutes ago | parent

Subscription

MBCook 15 minutes ago | parent

So you pay $20/mo, let or run for a long time, then claim you used the equivalent of $1/2 million?

Rapzid 44 minutes ago | parent

People love to flex by using the API costs for their subscription tokens.

I personally find it ridiculous. The cost is what you paid, not what someone else could have paid. Markets and all that.

It would be like using spot instances on AWS but flexing by boasting about how much on-demand $$ compute you used.

Capricorn2481 28 minutes ago | parent

In this case, I think they are just giving you an idea of what it cost to do this. They aren't saying it's prescriptive

Rapzid 1 minute ago | parent

Except.. It doesn't really give you an idea what it cost? That's not what it cost. How much did it actually cost? Who knows!

It's also TheoGG sooooo.. Those influencer instincts tho.

aizk 20 minutes ago | parent

No that's the theoretical token value cost based on chaining multiple 20x subs.

fwlr 1 hour ago | parent

    # “The Slop Line"

      Everything below this was written by my LLMs, not me.
I really appreciate this convention, thank you.

DanRosenwasser 1 hour ago | parent

TypeScript team member here - this is impressive work, and it's honestly crazy that 3 of these ports have popped up in the last week! I'm currently AFK but we're hoping to learn more and we'll have more to say on this soon.

vaughands 1 hour ago | parent

Kudos for keeping up! Golang seemed like a very reasonable choice when you ported there originally but the world is changing _fast_.

zdragnar 1 hour ago | parent

Why do you think Golang is no longer a reasonable choice?

lifthrasiir 1 hour ago | parent

Presumably because Rust is more suitable than Go in agentic coding? (I'm not sure, but that seems the purported answer.)

lifeisloving 39 minutes ago | parent

Language and compiler design/ implementation is very much a human task. There's lots of nuances to consider. I doubt they want agent spaghetti code in their codebase either.

spankalee 1 hour ago | parent

Rust is better at targeting WebAssembly

teki_one 55 minutes ago | parent

Why?

0x696C6961 47 minutes ago | parent

I think the main advantage is size. Rust doesn't need to include the runtime.

cmrdporcupine 46 minutes ago | parent

I'm assuming they mean because it doesn't need a garbage collector or much of a runtime at all. You can target direct to WASM and use I guess WASI, while Go brings with it a garbage collector and so on.

spankalee 33 minutes ago | parent

Wasm is a first-class target for Rust, which produces faster and smaller Wasm binaries. My understanding is that you need to use TinyGo to reasonably target Wasm with Go.

Go having a garbage collector isn't necessarily bad, since Wasm has GC, but I think Go's GC can't easily use Wasm GC because Go has interior pointers.

cowsandmilk 31 minutes ago | parent

why would that be important? Having a typescript compiler in wasm seems like a pretty niche need.

vaughands 1 hour ago | parent

I suppose my comment sort of implies this. I think the naive knee jerk reaction is that if you can spit out perfect machine level code against a specification, then logically being closer to bare metal would help with performance. However, without knowing the details of how things worked it is tough to say whether it is truly "reasonable" or not.

But more importantly, the Typescript team themselves [1] picked Golang mostly out of ergonomics and ease of porting at the time. It is becoming more increasingly more to "taste" what ergonomics means. Notably, they did not pick it because they believed it to be the fastest option. But speed was on the mind, giving way to ergonomics and ease of porting. At least, this is my read.

[1] https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/411

dunham 47 minutes ago | parent

The author of esbuild used Rust and later switched to Go. He describes some of his experience here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22336284

It is one person and one project, but I found it interesting to read about his experience.

I like Go, but I probably would have tried Rust first because I want pattern matching when implementing languages.

conartist6 38 minutes ago | parent

Was it ever a reasonable choice? At the time the choice was made the tooling ecosystem was already split between Rust and JS, and by putting TS in Go they chose to split it three ways. Why not split it 4 or 5 ways then? The pressure will always be towards less duplicated work.

The only real choice of language to build the next generation of JS tools in is JS. Anything else is a vote of no confidence in ourselves.

sreekanth850 11 minutes ago | parent

Rust is more close to metal. No GC

aizk 53 minutes ago | parent

I think the future of this is -- get your AI agent to investigate this port for anything actually worthwhile, comparing it to the go version, and then take those good ideas and actually maybe bring them into the real compiler.

Maybe. Who knows, it's all changing so fast!

elcritch 1 hour ago | parent

I'm curious how much unsafe this uses? Are these ports making idiomatic code or just using unsafe all over. There doesn't seem to be anything in the readme.

dbalatero 1 hour ago | parent

Have a look yourself: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Apingdotgg%2Fts-rust+unsaf...

Doesn't look like any on skim, also looks like an explicit goal was to avoid unsafe code: https://github.com/pingdotgg/ts-rust/blob/ad8f2746ea85a6354b...

bitpush 1 hour ago | parent

Is this going to be a serious project? No.

Is this going to be maintained? Nope

Nevertheless this and many others are showing what is possible. Much akin to how someone ports doom onto a microwave.

We'll look back at this time with great fondness when we collectively discovered a whole new gear.

pvillano 1 hour ago | parent

I have to wonder if LLM reimplementations verified against years of human tests will have holes where original authors thought that tests are not necessary and common sense is enough.

I have to wonder this to preserve my ego as a human. I wonder have to this because I sure as hell am never going to go through all that code to check.

catlifeonmars 59 minutes ago | parent

This post should be titled “Rust port of Go rewrite of Typescript compiler”

fiatpandas 56 minutes ago | parent

Are there any specific harnesses or techniques to aid in porting stuff to Rust? Specialized in terms of token efficiency

hedgehog 52 minutes ago | parent

As much as possible mechanical (non-LLM) verification of equivalence that generates good diagnostic messages, mechanical translation steps that generate good diagnostic messages, a good memory system to reduce rework...

Gigachad 55 minutes ago | parent

I honestly have no idea what the future of tech will look like at this point. Too much has changed.

yoyohello13 55 minutes ago | parent

Maybe there are just so many of these but at this point for vibe coded stuff like this I’m just like “who cares.” LLMs can make stuff like this now. Unless this reaches some critical mass of usage among developers why would I use it? It’s just a less maintained, less tested implementation. The more important question is “what does this teach us?” And idk the answer to that one.

rowanG077 50 minutes ago | parent

Generally building something is not about "What does this teach us?" but rather "What can this be used for?". You don't build a house and as "What does this teach us?". It's honestly almost a perverse question to primarily ask for something that aims to have practical value.

The clear reason this has worth is that it's much faster than TSC.

Capricorn2481 45 minutes ago | parent

That's why the commenter said

> It’s just a less maintained, less tested implementation

Then they asked if it teaches something because it is a risky utility to them. You're trying to make it sound a lot weirder.

rowanG077 38 minutes ago | parent

The point is that it's clearly not just a less maintained, less tested implementation. It's 1.61x faster for one in real world apps, in some case even almost 4x faster.

Onavo 29 minutes ago | parent

I am curious why it's faster. Golang isn't that much slower than Rust, aside from the garbage collector. 4x performance improvements is much bigger than what I expected.

Capricorn2481 27 minutes ago | parent

If that was your point, why did you spend a whole paragraph saying "teach us? What a perverse question."

hannibalhorn 38 minutes ago | parent

In the real world project section, compile times vs tsc7 were 1-3s less. Sometimes the percentages are far more impressive than absolutes.

shepherdjerred 32 minutes ago | parent

I wish Anthropic/OpenAI would give me free tokens so I could make random things like this

I already pay for subs on both but the tokens are already spoken for with other projects

anonymous908213 14 minutes ago | parent

LLMs have been trained to fix compile errors in a loop. Give them years of human labor worth of tests and they will fix compile errors until it works (as well as the tests can ensure). Now you have a codebase no one has read. Good luck adding new code to it.

Let's also not forget that Bun was claiming a rewrite in 11 days or whatever it was, but actually spent months of human labor fixing all of the issues their rewrite introduced before actually shipping it as a release.