31 points sohkamyung 1 hour ago 21 comments
ankurdhama 1 hour ago | parent
dietr1ch 11 minutes ago | parent
I know many people on smaller keyboards map a single Control tap as ESC.
The only thing special about windows, is that the OS gets to own the Win key completely, which is something not too crazy and I sort of like the idea of ensuring their global shortcuts are always available.
olyjohn 1 hour ago | parent
The "Start" or Windows key is the same as the "Command" key
"Alt" is the same key as "Option"
This is how every keyboard I've ever used has worked. This is usually how they work when you plug a PC keyboard into a Mac or vice-versa.
rahimnathwani 50 minutes ago | parent
Otherwise it would be really confusing when you switch from your external keyboard to the laptop keyboard.
sitharus 20 minutes ago | parent
larusso 16 minutes ago | parent
spankalee 55 minutes ago | parent
Control specifically is just a terrible modifier key for common things like edit commands. First, it sits near your pinky instead of your thumb, making chording it with Z, X, C, V, etc., really difficult.
But then... who decided that ctrl-c should be used for both copy and abort??? That's diabolical levels of messed up. In a terminal app ctrl-c aborts, so you need to use shift-ctrl-c to copy, and now you have two shortcuts for the same operation you need to remember based on context, except that in a web-based terminal in Chrome shift-ctrl-c opens "Inspect Element Mode" and now you have no way to copy!
Am I the only one who finds this astoundingly frustrating?
nightfly 50 minutes ago | parent
Ctrl-C doing different things come from different os/software lineages
dima55 39 minutes ago | parent
arm 20 minutes ago | parent
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/mxcj3ll/a/magic-keyboard-...
I see on that Apple keyboard:
• two control keys
• two option keys
• two command keys
• delete (aka backspace)
• forward delete (aka delete)
• home
• end
• page up
• page down
sitharus 16 minutes ago | parent
cosmic_cheese 34 minutes ago | parent
As a sibling comment notes, Caps Lock as Control helps a lot but it's still not as nice as Command-based shortcuts, both in hand positioning and in terms of shortcut overlap.
zdw 31 minutes ago | parent
Not being able to cut/paste easily because every tool used the Control key for something different, especially in the terminal, was infuriating.
Having the command key handle these kinds of GUI-focused interactions, and Control for most of the terminal-centric and text manipulation (Ctrl-A/E for beginning/end of line, from Emacs) makes the system great to work with.
I didn't mind anything else about my foray into Linux as a desktop OS. If we could get a Linux GUI distro that all it did was match the Mac command key paradigm, I think it would make a lot of people happy.
wpm 26 minutes ago | parent
Toshy can help but it's still not a perfect fix.
musicale 16 minutes ago | parent
It's not bad if you have a keyboard (e.g. topre) with control in the caps-lock position (or remap it, which I usually do).
And I also agree that the Lisa/Mac-style command-[zxcv] works really well (particularly if you use a mouse with your right hand.)
MacOS has no problem with both control-c (break) and command-c (copy) - why isn't this common in Linux as well (at least for keyboards with a command or windows key, which seems to be many, many keyboards.)
IgorPartola 50 minutes ago | parent
wpm 29 minutes ago | parent
That's me! readline everywhere by default is fantastic and should be immediately copied by every Linux DE!
karhuton 26 minutes ago | parent
Dual booting between a MacOS and Linux is a painful process of manual keyboard and shorcut overrides to get the linux side somewhat to the (better) mac way of doing this.
musicale 21 minutes ago | parent
bombcar 18 minutes ago | parent
Technically DOS could have had "backspace" (delete the character BEFORE the cursor), "delete" (delete the character on/under the cursor), and "forward delete" (delete the next character AFTER the cursor).
anonymous344 5 minutes ago | parent