Yet another Hacker News

Tesla Rebrands Full Self-Driving as Tesla Assisted Driving in Europe

12 points ilreb 2 hours ago 13 comments

silverFork 2 hours ago | parent

can you drive it to work and send it home by itself? And then ask it to come and get you?

andsoitis 2 hours ago | parent

> can you drive it to work and send it home by itself? And then ask it to come and get you?

No. The Tesla webpage and in-car guidance are clear on what you can expect from this feature and how the driver is expected to be paying attention. The car will also sense when you are not paying attention and take measures accordingly.

https://www.tesla.com/fsd

silverFork 2 hours ago | parent

They are trying to use it as taxi.. are they blocking the features in order to use it for taxis only?

jqpabc123 22 minutes ago | parent

No, they have remote drivers for their "autonomous" taxis.

In other words, they're not really "autonomous". And they don't operate at night --- probably not in bad weather either --- or when communications are unavailable.

"Tesla is the only autonomous vehicle company in the United States that permits its remote operators to directly steer, accelerate, and brake vehicles on public roads."

https://tesorb.com/tesla-robotaxi-remote-operations-teleoper...

https://www.autonocion.com/us/tesla-robotaxi-night-curfew/

silverFork 9 minutes ago | parent

I see for Tesla assisted driving is not equal to autonomous. I wasn't aware of that. So they are hiring people to drive them like drones.. Somebody else said this and I didn't quite understand it then.. Thanks.

1970-01-01 2 hours ago | parent

So what happens to all the idiots that declared they will never buy a Tesla simply because of the naming choices that Elon made? Are they finally checking that one item off their list of reasons why they will never ever ever buy a Tesla?

SonOfKyuss 2 hours ago | parent

It’s interesting that you focused on so called “idiots” for having an issue with misleading branding and not the actual idiots who came up with that name

1970-01-01 1 hour ago | parent

Juliet called this out hundreds of years ago:

So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,

Retain that dear perfection which he owes

toomuchtodo 2 hours ago | parent

They continue to not buy a product from a fraudster. Not much changes, I propose. They buy a BYD or other quality non Tesla EV (Tesla sells ~2M EVs/year, China can build ~50M/year in aggregate, as of this comment). Those who still want Teslas buy them.

Tesla has become a vanity project operated by an emotionally unhealthy, power seeking narcissist who will chase attention and validation for the foreseeable future. It is not a critical component to global electrification. China will do all the heavy lifting (as of this comment, ~60% of Chinese auto sales are electric [largest auto market globally], and ~29% globally for 2026; exports are currently ~12M/year run rate, constrained by marine shipping capacity). Buy from Tesla, don’t buy from Tesla, doesn’t matter.

IEA Expects Electric Vehicles to Account for 29% of Global Car Sales in 2026 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49970471 - October 2026

China growth straining global auto shipping capacity - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49553327 - September 2026

https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2026/executive...

As my kids say, “You don’t buy from people who lie to you.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...

(disclosure: I own several Teslas purchased 2018-2022, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, sometimes we believe and trust the wrong people, we win or we learn)

Apollorider 36 minutes ago | parent

So big essay when you can just write "Elon bad he doesn't parrot my politics anymore!"

toomuchtodo 29 minutes ago | parent

Being a terrible human isn’t a politics issue, more values, ethics, morals, etc (although politics are how those foundations are expressed). He will die eventually, it’s just how long we have to wait and how much harm he causes until then. Think vulnerability exposure time horizon. I do not want to give my money to monsters, that’s all. If others do, heh, it’s their money. I don’t have strong feelings because it doesn’t matter, he’s a peacock on a stage (“Look at me! Worship me! Witness me!”), and climate change mitigation will succeed without him and Tesla (which is important to me, as someone primarily concerned about the planetary climate trajectory).

Do I despair that terrible people exist longer than they should? Yes. Do I take comfort that death comes for everyone as the great equalizer? Also yes. “It is what it is.” With time and age comes wisdom, imho. We are simply scholars and observers on the timeline, exist accordingly.

(TLDR I ain’t mad, I’m just disappointed)

henry2023 22 minutes ago | parent

Why are you so angry about other people not wanting to buy a deceiving product?

smt88 17 minutes ago | parent

Not OP, but it's ironic how Musk/Tesla fans tell us we shouldn't make political decisions when buying products, but they only seem to be angry when someone boycotts their political heroes.

So which is it? Should buying decisions be political or not?

I personally wouldn't buy a Tesla for many individual reasons (terrible quality, not valuing safety, racist work environments, Musk's behavior), but just the terrible quality would be enough for me. I don't want a car that's in the shop all the time.