103 points tosh 2 hours ago 76 comments
redoxate 1 hour ago | parent
gavinray 1 hour ago | parent
babelfish 1 hour ago | parent
simonw 1 hour ago | parent
miguelacevedo 21 minutes ago | parent
simonw 4 minutes ago | parent
VC is a hits business. Just one hit pays for 9 that didn't work out.
prometheus1992 1 hour ago | parent
slopinthebag 1 hour ago | parent
Onavo 1 hour ago | parent
When you are in the middle of a boom cycle, it's the hottest company that has the advantage. Investing in them is a matter of privilege and they get to pick and choose.
Also, Canadian VCs are bottom of the barrel as far as VCs go.
besterman23 1 hour ago | parent
johnfn 1 hour ago | parent
besterman23 49 minutes ago | parent
kingcauchy 1 hour ago | parent
Acquired in the vc sense… not literal exit.
reticulates 1 hour ago | parent
[1] not really but they did some innovative things and popularized a concept
nateb2022 58 minutes ago | parent
phren0logy 1 hour ago | parent
dvrp 1 hour ago | parent
InsideOutSanta 58 minutes ago | parent
Maybe in some cases. But counterexample, courtesy of The Information:
"It took just 15 minutes for Blue Owl executives to agree to invest up to $10 billion in future projects alongside real estate firm Primary Digital Infrastructure during their first in-person meeting two years ago, said Primary chief investment officer Bill Stein."
https://www.theinformation.com/articles/blue-owl-eyes-new-de...
AI seems to make some people lose their damned minds.
nlpnerd 47 minutes ago | parent
bix6 42 minutes ago | parent
baobabKoodaa 41 minutes ago | parent
no, it was not
> was duplicated within a couple of days
was it already available or did it become available in a couple of days? it cant be both (neither is true, actually)
geoffschmidt 38 minutes ago | parent
Also the situation isn't static. Investors know that the act of writing them a $870M check itself increases the chance that they'll be one of the winners, because that will attract more talent, customers, and funding to the company in a self-reinforcing cycle. And investors know that other investors know that, and that someone is going to write them that $870M check, so to some extent they're forced to think of the company as having already been successful at the fundraising and already having that momentum boost.
Only a small number of investors in the world can play the game at this level, because you have to smart enough to be right (often enough), and you have to be established enough to see the deals (be on every CEO's short list - because CEOs are only going to seriously pitch 5-10 VCs on a hot deal, if that). Otherwise you can't pull it off. Martin Casado and his team are among the few that can and I think their results reflect that.
dist-epoch 28 minutes ago | parent
Anyone know when this "have no moat" meme appeared? Even 5 years ago I don't remember seeing it on every post.
jghn 1 hour ago | parent
bel8 1 hour ago | parent
armcat 1 hour ago | parent
[1] https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/decisions
[2] https://unsloth.ai/docs/basics/train-your-own-decision-model...
dkersten 59 minutes ago | parent
That’s a different set of properties in terms of size, cost, and latency. Jev (apparently, not like I’ve seen its insides) is extremely cheap, extremely fast, doesn’t cost any output tokens as it speaks the output natively, can’t get the output wrong because it speaks the format natively, and (presumably based on the docs), the context is separate from the question, meaning it should be immune (or at least highly resistant) to prompt injection attacks.
It’s not just about the accuracy of the result, it’s a collection of all the properties that make Jev interesting.
Jev took years to develop, I strongly doubt that a copycat that was put together within days after Jev’s release will be able to match it on a sun of its properties. Even if fine tuned LLMs can outperform it on raw accuracy.
devin 48 minutes ago | parent
baobabKoodaa 28 minutes ago | parent
homarp 25 minutes ago | parent
baobabKoodaa 21 minutes ago | parent
"SalesRLAgent: A Reinforcement Learning Approach for Real-Time Sales Conversion Prediction and Optimization"
Jev is a general-purpose thing. That is a specific-purpose thing. General-purpose thing is not the same as specific-purpose thing. What makes people think these are the same thing? I don't get it.
devin 9 minutes ago | parent
hbrn 9 minutes ago | parent
But why? If the simplest way to achieve Jev's capabilities (accuracy, cost, latency) is by fine tuning a small model, what makes you think that this isn't exactly what Typesafe did?
And even if they did something different - what makes you think it was a good idea in the first place, given how easy their results were replicated without any "secret sauce"?
mlmonkey 55 minutes ago | parent
To run the SDK examples below, use these OpenAI SDK versions or later: Python 3.26.0,
I thought Pythin 3.15.0 just came out, 3.26.0 must be really far off?
bayesianbot 43 minutes ago | parent
scottyah 53 minutes ago | parent
Have you heard that from a different source than OpenAI? From what I'd heard other models haven't gotten close, and the open source ones are like running gemma4 E2B against Opus 5.5- sure, the API calls go in and are returned the same but the quality isn't close.
nlpnerd 49 minutes ago | parent
baobabKoodaa 43 minutes ago | parent
no, you can't, and it's unclear why you would think this.
ricericerice 13 minutes ago | parent
*if you have a sufficiently sized and quality dataset for the specific classifications you're targeting
baobabKoodaa 12 minutes ago | parent
ttul 41 minutes ago | parent
Oras 22 minutes ago | parent
I give it to them for creating the hype (good marketing), and for making a useful classifier. Not sure what they would scale rapidly though.
brink 14 minutes ago | parent
rsalus 13 minutes ago | parent
ModernMech 12 minutes ago | parent
doctorpangloss 29 minutes ago | parent
By all means, become an A16Z LP.
amelius 18 minutes ago | parent
827a 12 minutes ago | parent
There's the potential for an inverse LLM play. In contrast with LLMs, all that seems to matter is the model, and the products the labs build around the models are all really samey and boring; the same left panel list of agents, main view agent conversation, right hand extra context, and we're now in the era of everyone creating the same cutesey furry friend on top of all this tech.
moralestapia 11 minutes ago | parent
hkalbasi 8 minutes ago | parent
Jev is 42$/B but OpenAI is 100$/B token.
robotswantdata 1 hour ago | parent
jypepin 1 hour ago | parent
throw03172019 25 minutes ago | parent
ambicapter 9 minutes ago | parent
dovin 58 minutes ago | parent
pickle-wizard 31 minutes ago | parent
I am integrating it into the product I am building and to me it doesn't seem like there is much need to go with a SaaS for this since the requirements are so light. I just can run it in Cloud Run and get all of the scale I'll ever need, and I get to tell my customers their data never leaves my environment.
jacobgold 47 minutes ago | parent
christina97 42 minutes ago | parent
They may well be a good team to throw money behind if you are hoping to bet on a new AI lab.
soleveloper 35 minutes ago | parent
tietjens 33 minutes ago | parent
baobabKoodaa 29 minutes ago | parent
https://benchmarkheaven.com/jev-models
According to this benchmark, Jev is currently trailing Quyet-1.0-Large and a few other hastily put-together LLM-based decision API-like setups.
deepsquirrelnet 26 minutes ago | parent
verdverm 23 minutes ago | parent
I have no faith in the technique if it cannot do the basics (i.e. not real probabilities, the confidence for coin flip outcomes)
tried it a couple of days ago here: https://jevplayground.com
the "not real probability" disclaimer only appears after you get a result
rvz 14 minutes ago | parent
If anyone else came up with the same concept on a Reddit thread (they have) it no-one would care without those characteristics even if you are "first".
Rebranding, execution, marketing, ex-<big_name_company> and mostly importantly, hype is what gets the investors scrambling into throwing money at you.
maxdo 34 minutes ago | parent
Unless china takes leadership in frontier space the picture is next :
1. cheap workhorses for classification, routing, other scenarios : Jev 2. coding agents with less erros : Anthropic/Openai, etc. 3. Science /Legal/Medical : A mixture of Jev+Anthropic scenarios
dvt 30 minutes ago | parent
minimaxir 26 minutes ago | parent
stickfigure 25 minutes ago | parent
enahs-sf 18 minutes ago | parent