49 points samizdis 2 hours ago 20 comments

sfjailbird 1 hour ago | parent

I thought Isaacson's biography was good and balanced.

freerobby 1 hour ago | parent

Agreed. Also pretty telling that Ashlee Vance refused to collaborate or share his recordings with Gibney.

Conscat 57 minutes ago | parent

Besides lamp shading what are arguably Elon's biggest/most interesting flaws, it contained factual errors that he had to retract later.

jumpinjack710 1 hour ago | parent

This is really off-base with how it describes Musk assuming control of Tesla. Musk would have preferred the original CEOs worked out better but sadly they didn't, Tesla was on a bankruptcy trajectory when he took over and now they're the most profitable and highest volume EV maker of all time.

okuntilnow 1 hour ago | parent

They were once, but no longer. BYD has surpassed them in delivered volume and proft since 2025.

Tesla's net income has been declining YOY since 2023.

dada216 1 hour ago | parent

as you were already told BYD surpassed them, by quite a margin as well, and if you add the other chinese EV maker it's huge, even if you pit all the western EV car makers against the chinese one they are eating our lunch.

On top of that Tesla never reached the scale of any other car maker, those are some of the biggest and most complicated companies and supply chains on the planet.

I used to think we owed him the fact that EV are a thing, I then learned that China was preparing for it for a while, now I'm not so certain if he had the vision that it was possible to overcome the stagnation and resistance of traditional car makers or he just knew the chinese were also working on it.

for sure he saw the promise in reusable rockets, as he saw it with LLMs, a business genius he is, an industrialist I'm not sure.

shmoil 59 minutes ago | parent

Would they have any profitable quarters if you subtracted gov subsidies and "green credit sales"?

Last I checked a few years ago, they were never truly profitable.

porkshoe 45 minutes ago | parent

Welfare is fine if it's going to the richest man in the world.

It's only bad when it's going to the poor.

small_model 1 hour ago | parent

Hit piece, if you analysed anyones life, decision etc you could pick them apart. He's a human like the rest of us with same faults just magnified due to his fame and wealth.

gigatexal 1 hour ago | parent

Some people, like Elon and Nazis, deserve to get punched in the face. One man’s hit piece is another’s well researched biopic.

freerobby 1 hour ago | parent

You don't have to like Musk but words do mean things.

jaggs 17 minutes ago | parent

Nasty little snake oil salesman.

cisc 1 hour ago | parent

> Hit piece

How would you know? You haven't watched it.

netsharc 1 hour ago | parent

Would you say the same if it's a biography of say, Charles Manson? He's just a human as well, like you and me, but the world cares more about all the horrible shit he did.

You can spot that I'm not a fan...

So maybe the book cares more about the thought process behind the destructive shit Elon has done. For one thing, Doge's probably has fatally damaged the USA, and oh yeah, Doge's there because Elon helped Trump get elected. How's your grocery and gas bill this week?

Sam Altman said "Elon desperately wants the world to be saved. But only if he can be the one to save it.". Reading the beginning of this article about his climate fight makes me think maybe Elon's motivation is to gain the world's love to fill that trillion cubic meter gaping hole in his heart...

He's even tried humor, but as this lady's pointed out: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/13/it-soo...

dada216 1 hour ago | parent

business genius: yes unhinged: also, yes

should he hold all the power he does? no, he's unhinged.

netsharc 1 hour ago | parent

tschellenbach 1 hour ago | parent

how did we go from growing up with star trek, sci-fi, apollo program to this boring constant negativity. ugh.

Avicebron 54 minutes ago | parent

The short answer is that those were conceived during economic boom times before the median American was sold down the river with outsourcing, financialization, and good old fashion corruption. 50 years after this crime was commited against the people, the ideals espoused in those fictions has become hollow and sour.

EA-3167 12 minutes ago | parent

Star Trek is fiction, a hopeful vision of a far future and not a description of the present. ToS was also dark and verging on a horror series most of the time. The rampant optimism of the 1990's and TnG are NOT found in ToS. The Federation of ToS isn't a utopia or implied to be one, it's just more egalitarian than the present at the time which was defined by generational, racial, and economic fighting. It took place during the context of a war that claimed tens of thousands of American lives, most drafted from the ranks of our youth.

It's very easy to imagine a past defined by fictional narratives and idealized memories of the Cold War. Don't give in to nostalgia, it's a lie.

SpicyLemonZest 8 minutes ago | parent

Neither Star Trek nor the Apollo program were popular at the time. The original Star Trek was cancelled after three seasons with no further content produced until a movie revival a decade later; contemporary polls of the Apollo program consistently showed that most people thought it was a waste of money. If (if) SpaceX and Tesla deliver on Musk's dreams, I expect people in the 2050s will wax nostalgic about the 2020s and complain that we can't summon the same spirit of adventure for the Dyson spheres Claude wants to build.