178 points defly 2 hours ago 245 comments
azan_ 1 hour ago | parent
trollbridge 1 hour ago | parent
aswegs8 1 hour ago | parent
schleck8 1 hour ago | parent
Yandex: > 99 % https://radar.cloudflare.com/traffic/as13238
Scaleway: 90 % https://radar.cloudflare.com/traffic/as12876
petu 1 hour ago | parent
Google ASN is at 98.7% https://radar.cloudflare.com/traffic/as15169
KingOfCoders 1 hour ago | parent
petu 1 hour ago | parent
Implication was that tons of malicious traffic originate from there. I pointed out that bot % stat doesn't seem to be useful for determining that, Occam's razor and all.
RobotToaster 56 minutes ago | parent
KingOfCoders 33 minutes ago | parent
paaloeye 1 hour ago | parent
petu 56 minutes ago | parent
It could be malicious, but that exact stat doesn't show that.
troupo 1 hour ago | parent
People on X comment on the noticeable drop in bot comments.
walrus01 1 hour ago | parent
rwyinuse 1 hour ago | parent
ponector 49 minutes ago | parent
Great will be when all huge data center are visited by free range unknown drones, like what happened to the Wildberries.
flexagoon 1 hour ago | parent
KingOfCoders 1 hour ago | parent
I guess for some definition of "innocent".
flexagoon 1 hour ago | parent
KingOfCoders 1 hour ago | parent
(1) 89% of Russians approved Putin and the 2014 Crimean invasion
flexagoon 1 hour ago | parent
According to Putin.
KingOfCoders 49 minutes ago | parent
Lewada, the pollster which got sacked later as a "foreign agent", got 86%
petre 17 minutes ago | parent
robinduckett 1 hour ago | parent
i_have_an_idea 1 hour ago | parent
choo-t 1 hour ago | parent
jrflowers 1 hour ago | parent
tokai 40 minutes ago | parent
KingOfCoders 27 minutes ago | parent
If - I assume there is - there is a post shared on HN about Israel and Gaza we can discuss that genocide there.
pennaMan 1 hour ago | parent
walrus01 1 hour ago | parent
KingOfCoders 1 hour ago | parent
I'm also surprised that people can't see this simple solution to the situation.
robinduckett 1 hour ago | parent
sehw 1 hour ago | parent
Huh?
orphereus 1 hour ago | parent
Destroying heating units in Ukraine also affects innocent users in much worse ways than losing a datacenter.
flexagoon 1 hour ago | parent
KingOfCoders 1 hour ago | parent
The vast majority of Russians loved the war mostly because they made lots of money from it. Just when Ukraine started hitting oil infra people no longer liked the war. I am sorry for those 10% of Russians who didn't want the war and can't move abroad.
paaloeye 1 hour ago | parent
flexagoon 1 hour ago | parent
20% of Russians were ready to vote for an anti-war party in the last elections before it was illegally removed from the ballots, and many more don't support the war. The people who do are mostly old or live in small towns with no access to education. I doubt many of them are Yandex Cloud users.
KingOfCoders 1 hour ago | parent
I assume - one would need to check - that the majority of people who left Russia after 2022 did not support the war, so those left should be on the lower end.
"20% of Russians were ready to vote for an anti-war party in the last elections"
Yes, as I've said, approval dropped when Ukraine hit oil infra and gas prices went up, I can see 20% as a number. Nevertheless as show by approval ratings after 2014, that number was lower until people got hit by the impact of the war themselves.
trallnag 1 hour ago | parent
KingOfCoders 56 minutes ago | parent
[Edit] People didn't keep that money but spent it so others profited from that money too.
This is what happens in wars - beside war racketeers - salaries go up. There is a lot of research on how German profited from WW2 (and before) for example for most of the war. WW2 too seems most researched from what I see on how everyone profits until things get worse and end.
oytis 1 hour ago | parent
flexagoon 1 hour ago | parent
rcxdude 1 hour ago | parent
walrus01 1 hour ago | parent
Marha01 36 minutes ago | parent
This is impossible, even in a dictatorship.
walrus01 28 minutes ago | parent
The starvation years of the DPRK in the mid 1990s directly after the collapse of the Soviet Union might be the closest that such a state has come to the situation getting so dire that the people could have theoretically risen up, no matter the consequences, but for a myriad of reasons the North Koreans were unable to.
jazzyjackson 1 hour ago | parent
flexagoon 1 hour ago | parent
rcxdude 1 hour ago | parent
sfn42 50 minutes ago | parent
The more damage Ukraine does to them the better. Maybe then these Russians who allegedly don't like Putin will get their shit together and do something about him. He's their responsibility. They are, like it or not, supporting his war simply by existing in the Russian economy. If the entire country really wanted him gone they could get him gone.
ponector 43 minutes ago | parent
Same random people who works and support military machine with money and labor.
Mikhail_Edoshin 9 minutes ago | parent
TiredOfLife 1 minute ago | parent
stephbook 1 hour ago | parent
Interesting take. Last I checked, those datacenters hosted software that targeted a children's school.
simion314 1 hour ago | parent
flexagoon 1 hour ago | parent
simion314 45 minutes ago | parent
I hope that Putin will not attack again the electricity and power in Ukraine , hopefully the retard is scared now that Ukraine will bring the cold to the Moscowites and I am not happy for the children in Moscow to suffer because of the adults not giving a shit about the criminal they elected.
darkwi11ow 43 minutes ago | parent
asimpletune 34 minutes ago | parent
sfn42 27 minutes ago | parent
realusername 53 minutes ago | parent
And I'm sure these data centers were also used for military purposes, no way they weren't in the current russian environment.
supriyo-biswas 1 hour ago | parent
Muromec 1 hour ago | parent
usrnm 1 hour ago | parent
Muromec 1 hour ago | parent
JumpCrisscross 42 minutes ago | parent
[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-yandex-says-sec...
petre 25 minutes ago | parent
elimgta 1 hour ago | parent
Maybe this would remind ordinary russians that killing innocent civilians every day in Kyiv is not good
KingOfCoders 1 hour ago | parent
Estimate range is big because lots of civilians died in cities that ended up occupied.
schleck8 1 hour ago | parent
KingOfCoders 1 hour ago | parent
"innocent civilians every day in Kyiv is not good".
Estimations for how many civilians Russians killed in Chechnya range from 45,000 to 80,000.
jazzyjackson 1 hour ago | parent
From the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion in February 2022 to December 2025, 14,999 Ukrainian civilians were killed and 40,601 injured, according to the United Nations Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine (HRMMU).
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/ukrai...troupo 1 hour ago | parent
KingOfCoders 1 hour ago | parent
2) The UN estimate is considered on the low end because it looks into confirmed deaths while many civilians were killed in cities that became occupied and we have no numbers from there.
beernet 1 hour ago | parent
Russia could stop this invasion any time and not a single Russian would be hurt. Pure Kreml propaganda on HN, how sad.
testaccount28 52 minutes ago | parent
masfuerte 49 minutes ago | parent
KingOfCoders 48 minutes ago | parent
cluckindan 45 minutes ago | parent
walterlw 32 minutes ago | parent
crabbone 44 minutes ago | parent
Since Mariupol fell to Russia, they never counted the dead. There are horror stories of the bodies not being buried for month after surrender, and in some cases, Russians simply pawed over the places with many dead (a prominent example is the theater in the city center, but there were more).
The numbers you are quoting are the "counted" ones. Mariupol, Sieverodonetsk, Kherson, saw a lot of deaths that were never counted.
Sorry to bring another conflict into the picture, but it's useful to illustrate the point. In Gaza, the "health ministry" used a different "technique" to count the dead. Normally, to establish that someone died, there has to be a qualified medical professional at the scene, they also have to get a hold of identifying documents (or else, they will be counted as "John/Jane Doe", but in the morgue, much later). In some "special" cases a non-medical professional may record a death (they are usually defined using the language like "the head is more than 50 cm away from the rest of the body" etc.) But they switched to "incorporating reports from the news sources" (i.e. if some newspaper reported X people killed in some event, they just added X to the tally).
After the front line stabilized in Ukraine, they had no reason (or excuse) to count their civilian casualties in the way Gaza administration did, so, they never incorporated those who were never properly reported. And that's why we have a relatively "low" numbers. If Ukraine is ever able to regain control of the territory captured after 2022, these numbers are bound to go much, much higher, as they will have to deal with eg. property ownership and would have to either declare the previous owners as deceased, or actually find them.
whatdouthink 36 minutes ago | parent
Why is my comment downvoted? (Rhetorical question, of course, I know what you are.) It is the reality that Russian civilians are killed daily by the Ukranian drones, guided also by your starlink satellites.
You may not like to hear this, but this is how things are.
AndyPa32 33 minutes ago | parent
Slava Ukraini!
The audacity of those bots these days.
KingOfCoders 30 minutes ago | parent
Looks like Ukrainians don't believe in "turn to him the other cheek".
Muromec 18 minutes ago | parent
walterlw 17 minutes ago | parent
squidbeak 39 minutes ago | parent
[1] https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/10/06/i-m-used-to-walking-...
miroljub 1 hour ago | parent
schleck8 1 hour ago | parent
toomuchtodo 1 hour ago | parent
Muromec 1 hour ago | parent
hasley 1 hour ago | parent
The question why people who do not agree with the government should also pay the price for a war started by their government/country is not specific to this war.
altmanaltman 51 minutes ago | parent
The beautiful thing about US war is that it never gets back home. The moment it starts, the populance starts pulling back support. But if you are shooting random people in the desert and middletown nowhere's McDonald's are functioning, its all gravy.
microtonal 46 minutes ago | parent
Have you checked the diesel prices?
victorbjorklund 13 minutes ago | parent
raverbashing 1 hour ago | parent
enaaem 35 minutes ago | parent
TheOtherHobbes 4 minutes ago | parent
sehw 1 hour ago | parent
mittensc 1 hour ago | parent
robinduckett 1 hour ago | parent
troupo 1 hour ago | parent
pawelduda 35 minutes ago | parent
usrnm 1 hour ago | parent
pu_pe 46 minutes ago | parent
swiftcoder 40 minutes ago | parent
Or will we see civilian datacenters with their own defensive drone swarms, and a couple of phalanx-style point defence systems for good measure?
childintime 6 minutes ago | parent
He is on his way to become the first ($100 trillion) supervillain. Until 2 years ago, he stood at the center of most of the good news, then he got a few calls from Putin and he became unhinged from our (obscured) point of view. Nowadays he's a dark pattern.
Capitalism culminates in him, and he has to decide what to make of the world. He is our de-facto king, while on a personal level he has to decide what to do with his fortune. Put it into smart contracts for an AI to use and rule the world? Giving it to his kids would be underwhelming, not what he lived for.
People joked that mankind existed to bring forth the machines and would then become superfluous. The irony of it. Well, it seems irony has mr Musk. He sees the petty online bickering and he sees himself as alone, as the only adult in the room, who has to decide the fate of humanity, and his power in many domains puts him to the task.
He has his fiduciary responsibility that puts the interests of his share-holders first. He sees that as a healthy check on his power. At the end of all his calculations he has responsibilities akin to the Star Wars Emperor. Just like many white men, who come spend the remainder of their days in function and in defense of their property. Not in defense of life.
So Musk needs his antagonist to arrive on the scene, so he can repurpose his empire for the good the antagonist brings, as he represents a complete overhaul of the way life is lived. So the jury is out on mr Musk, and may he always remember his status as an American is just a hustle gone wild. Similar to the dynamic of how a liar has to keep extending his web of lies. He will make it into a machine that will carry his burden going forward. And then what? When, if ever, will he remember he is an African, and a friend of his own antagonist? His final words may sound like: Luke, I am your Father!
gpt5 1 hour ago | parent
Makes me wonder how much compute is already being built in bunkers under mountains.
toomuchtodo 1 hour ago | parent
MiroslavPokorny 1 hour ago | parent
Not worth paying 100x for the bunker to save 1x worth of computer stuff.
walrus01 1 hour ago | parent
So you build your stuff inside a mountain and run a bunch of big ass liquid cooling loops to heat exchangers in the atmosphere outside the mountain. The requirement of the cooling system being out in the open air means it can also be hit by air strikes, an adversary doesn't need to penetrate the mountain, just take out its cooling.
You'd have to build a fully underground cooling system that goes to a nearby river (or huge lake) and use the cold water from that, which would get costly quick.
testaccount28 55 minutes ago | parent
walrus01 49 minutes ago | parent
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=london+un...
You could probably drill sideways into rocks and pump heat into the mountain for a certain period of time, but on a multi-month or year time scale, it would catch up with you after you had saturated it.
martinjc 54 minutes ago | parent
walrus01 50 minutes ago | parent
efnx 52 minutes ago | parent
jltsiren 7 minutes ago | parent
Helsinki gets its water from the 120 km Päijänne Water Tunnel, which cost €200-250 million (adjusted for inflation) to build. Peak flow is 10 m^3/s by gravity alone and up to 20 m^3/s with pumps, which should be enough to cool a 1 GW data center. You could increase the cost by 2x (because real wages have gone up), by another 2x (because middlemen have destroyed productivity), and by yet another 2x (because everything is more expensive in America), and it would still be pretty reasonable.
jazzyjackson 1 hour ago | parent
https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/build-design/safer-under...
walrus01 1 hour ago | parent
It's a severe engineering challenge to hide massive heat exchangers on the scale of the datacenters built in the industrial area near Dulles (coordinate example: 38.9817915,-77.417775). Find those on a map and observe the scale of their cooling and generator systems and then try to find anything comparable that's been built underground.
jazzyjackson 1 hour ago | parent
Just wanted to make the point you don’t have to pay to excavate the cave :)
IshKebab 37 minutes ago | parent
There are mines with plenty of space in them, and heat removal can be done with water cooling. But who is going to pay 50% more for that when it isn't needed 99.99% of the time?
walrus01 34 minutes ago | parent
misiek08 22 minutes ago | parent
roenxi 1 hour ago | parent
Although I personally would expect some sort of decentralisation option to be more effective. It's difficult to even theorise because we don't know exactly what sort of damage these strikes are doing and what countermeasures are already in place. If this strike has caught Yandex by surprise after almost 5 years of hot war then they really should hire a dude to check up on current events every so often. They must have some sort of contingency planning around a Ukrainian strike.
microtonal 57 minutes ago | parent
But yeah, the economic incentives are creating unicorns and centralizing compute/capital/etc.
oytis 1 hour ago | parent
fartfeatures 59 minutes ago | parent
andy_ppp 58 minutes ago | parent
youngtaff 23 minutes ago | parent
Ukraine has a very targeted response but notably tries to minimise civilian casualties
ponector 58 minutes ago | parent
Also Yandex is a large cloud provider, they host a lot of government-connected companies.
paaloeye 1 hour ago | parent
microtonal 51 minutes ago | parent
paaloeye 33 minutes ago | parent
boelboel 24 minutes ago | parent
youngtaff 25 minutes ago | parent
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/ukraine-hits-russia...
bob1029 51 minutes ago | parent
Perhaps an economic justification can be found for placing something so far up the gravity well that its adversaries can no longer physically approach it. Distributing the resource across many satellites would further confound any attack.
Increasing the cost of effect on a single target from $1,000 to $1,000,000,000 makes a difference. Especially when that 2nd option is likely to trigger additional multilateral strategic responses. If the only way to delete your adversaries data centers is with things like nuclear weapons, lasers and multi-stage rocketry, your adversary may have already won the game.
Gigachad 43 minutes ago | parent
microtonal 40 minutes ago | parent
The active thermal control system (ATCS) on the ISS uses an ammonia loop and radiators measuring 13.6 x 3.12 meters, or about 42.5 square meters. It can dissipate 16 kW, which is enough for 16 H200s, or one-quarter of a rack on Earth. For 200 kW, you would need a system 12.5 times larger, about 531 square meters—2.6 times larger than the solar array. The satellite would be enormous, larger than the ISS, and all of that for only three racks.
https://codedtrip.com/en/blog/data-centers-in-space-disastro...
bob1029 29 minutes ago | parent
walrus01 21 minutes ago | parent
Marha01 12 minutes ago | parent
Perhaps, but the parent comment posited that some people would pay the premium for orbital data center due to much better security. At $200 per kg to orbit, it could make sense.
evgen 17 minutes ago | parent
Marha01 7 minutes ago | parent
Marha01 15 minutes ago | parent
It's not that hard, Starlink constellation already dissipates around 100 MW of heat, split over many satellites. Any orbital datacenter would use similarly distributed satellites.
Marha01 4 minutes ago | parent
Starlink gen 3 satellite is designed to dissipate 250 kW. You are talking about an already solved issue, with real hardware already being built today.
ben_w 19 minutes ago | parent
Welding lasers are pretty cheap, the two hard parts are a big enough apperture to focus 500 km away, and adaptive optics, both of which have already been demonstrated decades ago in astronomy.
I'm not saying Iran and North Korea already have such capabilities, but I am saying I think neither would have trouble building it six months ago if they'd wanted to.
buildfocus 40 minutes ago | parent
crabbone 21 minutes ago | parent
The reason why Ukraine, Russia and Iran are targeting data-centers is because they are easy targets with a lot of expensive equipment, but they don't really impact the military operation. So, they aren't high priority targets. Bomber airplanes, air defenses, launchers for ballistic missiles, command centers, factories manufacturing strategic military equipment, telecommunications, energy infrastructure would be the examples of high priority targets. The data-centers are more of a "we have excess drones, why not use them?"
I find it hard to believe that the military will intentionally use civilian data-centers for its own purposes. At least, not for the core of its operations (for auxiliary functionality: maybe). Military data-centers are likely to be in protected locations, perhaps using different h/w that addresses the cooling problem.
Also, it's a bit myopic to think that AI is having such a universal and large impact on society. Jobs that provide essential goods and services are, by and large, unaffected by AI. Farmers, construction workers, cooks etc. don't really use any of the AI stuff on the day to day basis, if at all.
bvcp 1 hour ago | parent
tuwtuwtuwtuw 1 hour ago | parent
Example quote from Azure documentation:
> Azure Government is used by the US Department of Defense (DoD) entities to deploy a broad range of workloads and solutions.
Calling such a DC a civilian target is essentialy incorrect now, and has been for years.
derektank 41 minutes ago | parent
bvcp 37 minutes ago | parent
its also important to understand that government isnt non civilian, in this context its non military
thinker34 1 hour ago | parent
The general decency of condemning any/all types destruction won't apply here.
LoganDark 1 hour ago | parent
ponector 51 minutes ago | parent
entropyneur 1 hour ago | parent
paaloeye 1 hour ago | parent
thih9 1 hour ago | parent
Edit: thanks for answers, this helps.
paaloeye 1 hour ago | parent
fartfeatures 1 hour ago | parent
rididjdj374 54 minutes ago | parent
JumpCrisscross 48 minutes ago | parent
Within the narrow scope of this discussion, yes. Ukraine would have a harder time hitting data centers around Moscow if they didn’t share a land border.
pixelpoet 42 minutes ago | parent
JumpCrisscross 38 minutes ago | parent
What Russia is doing in Ukraine is closer to America in Vietnam or Israel in Gaza than anything even Trump has done recently. And I doubt you’ll find many on this forum defending even the latter.
robbiep 15 minutes ago | parent
verelo 44 minutes ago | parent
IsTom 1 hour ago | parent
lifestyleguru 50 minutes ago | parent
JumpCrisscross 47 minutes ago | parent
It certainly does not. There is a huge and growing [1] (albeit still below ‘22 peak) tech outsourcing industry there.
Plus, likely Europe’s most advanced defense-industrial base for drones and, increasingly, missiles of all kinds. Being on the right side of a war works wonders for morale.
[1] https://itcluster.lviv.ua/en/gradual-market-stabilization-wh...
walterlw 39 minutes ago | parent
Muromec 22 minutes ago | parent
lifestyleguru 18 minutes ago | parent
bpavuk 11 minutes ago | parent
yeah, hating papers is our national trait at this point, given Diia and stuff XD
carstenhag 6 minutes ago | parent
TrickyRick 1 hour ago | parent
lifestyleguru 54 minutes ago | parent
_nalply 52 minutes ago | parent
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_emigration_during_the_...
(This is incomplete, I think there is a fourth or a fifth wave, probably since about summer 2026.)
wereHamster 33 minutes ago | parent
barrenko 35 minutes ago | parent
rajnathani 22 minutes ago | parent
bpavuk 16 minutes ago | parent
entropyneur 7 minutes ago | parent
surfingdino 1 hour ago | parent
petre 3 minutes ago | parent
paaloeye 57 minutes ago | parent
NautilusTheBot 56 minutes ago | parent
cbg0 51 minutes ago | parent
tokai 44 minutes ago | parent
walrus01 35 minutes ago | parent
Marha01 37 minutes ago | parent
flohofwoe 34 minutes ago | parent
233mhz 29 minutes ago | parent
A mystery really...
squidbeak 5 minutes ago | parent
First, a long-running SEAD / DEAD campaign by Ukraine last year and early this which thinned Russian air defence throughout occupied territories and left Russia with difficult deployment decisions for what remained.
Second, improvements to drones (speed and EW resistance) and expanded production - meaning the air defence can be saturated.
Third, Russia's vast geography itself, leaving countless approaches to targets impossible to defend.
defly 55 minutes ago | parent
Come Back Alive - delivered the first deep-strike drones https://savelife.in.ua/en/
Serhiy Prytula Charity Foundation - bought the famous spy satellite https://prytulafoundation.org/en
KOLO Charity Foundation - run by the Ukrainian tech community https://www.koloua.com/en/
Razom - US-based foundation https://www.razomforukraine.org/donate/
Canada-Ukraine Foundation: https://www.cufoundation.ca/
Ukrainian World Congress: https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/
Exen - Polish volunteer who delivers used vehicles to the front https://pomagam.pl/4x4dlaukrainy
United24 - the government fund https://u24.gov.ua/
There are also initiatives supporting Ukraine in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the Czech Republic, and other countries. Please suggest foundations from your country in the comments.
walrus01 52 minutes ago | parent
And this group: https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/
defly 48 minutes ago | parent
rmind 46 minutes ago | parent
Since the very start, they already raised over €121 million.
walterlw 45 minutes ago | parent
Marha01 42 minutes ago | parent
Also, Czech initiative https://weaponstoukraine.com/en and 69th Sniffing Brigade https://www.help99.co/donate is doing awesome work.
Glory to the Heroes!
krior 15 minutes ago | parent
sammy2255 52 minutes ago | parent
paaloeye 51 minutes ago | parent
paaloeye 47 minutes ago | parent
b0rys 48 minutes ago | parent
meindnoch 47 minutes ago | parent
dainiusse 46 minutes ago | parent
gitowiec 37 minutes ago | parent
barrenko 33 minutes ago | parent
Meaning, if they went around Ukraine for any other country it probably would have folded way earlier.
But this way with Ukraine defending itself, the EU(rope) is somehow keeping head in the sand much much longer.
znnajdla 30 minutes ago | parent
victorbjorklund 15 minutes ago | parent
edg5000 6 minutes ago | parent
The severity of the attacks on Russian borders have I believe still a limited effect on the course of the war, but I suppose it certainly won't hurt Ukraine's chances to in some form survive this war.