40 points colinprince 1 hour ago 37 comments

zecg 1 hour ago | parent

And consequently a gray area of generated slop trying to pass off as created by people.

CM30 1 hour ago | parent

Feels like approximately 80-90% of AI generated art, writing, games, tools, etc come under that category now. Very few people seem willing to come out and say "yeah, I got Claude/ChatGPT/Codex/Gemini to make this".

Or if they do, they'll try and downplay by saying they used AI for some elements, but not most of them.

jasongrishkoff 56 minutes ago | parent

Been a big problem in music.

On my site, we started asking artists to disclose their use of AI starting ~2 years ago. Turns out roughly 1 in 3 lied.

So, I developed an AI detector. It's working pretty well for that. But it's a schlep having to keep up with all the new models. We're processing ~60,000 songs a day at this point, kinda crazy!

gchamonlive 53 minutes ago | parent

How do you handle false positives in the detector?

andsoitis 51 minutes ago | parent

> Been a big problem in music. On my site, we started asking artists

What’s your site?

tolugenius 50 minutes ago | parent

Curious on two things

1. How often do you encounter false positives, and does that change things?

2. Have you considered outright prohibiting/banning vs disclosure?

Just want to hear from someone running a platform how they deal with this since I imagine it's very hard to get right.

olalonde 50 minutes ago | parent

That's been the case for over a century. People pay a large premium for the original even when identical copies are available.

tarkin2 50 minutes ago | parent

Art was never separate from the person and the culture that created it. It was its soul. Now our lives are flooded with soulless creations night and day--the product of lazy minds and an amalgamation of stolen already-bland cultural works.

ReptileMan 33 minutes ago | parent

So just like before AI.

tarkin2 27 minutes ago | parent

And now it has been exacerbated further

sodapopcan 13 minutes ago | parent

This is such a lazy "gotcha" argument, and a prevalent one at that. Some people seem to think that anyone who is upset about the massive deluge of garbage AI has enabled was somehow perfectly happy with the previous status quo. "Things were already bad so who cares if we make them worse?" is a sentiment that seems does have some wider acceptance in the software world, but not everyone feels this way.

ReptileMan 6 minutes ago | parent

No it is not lazy. But if you devoured the marvel slop or gray's anathomy in which production no human intelligence was utilized, what difference does it make if the slop is AI made?

Fricken 7 minutes ago | parent

It's just a new extension to the silicon valley shit machine. By the shit gods and the shit god's henchmen who frequent this forum to discuss devious new ways to shit up the world.

khalic 42 minutes ago | parent

I must admit the prevalence of AI generated images has challenged me to be more attentive to detail, I even started looking for small artists I can commission for stuff on my walls, been going to expos a little more... I'm happy if this gives artists a small lifeline away from the more mercantile aspects that AI is conquering.

thrw045 41 minutes ago | parent

While there is a lot of slop, it is possible to create art with AI that does not look like slop and is as creative as a human creation. That's really the main cool thing about AI is you can create things you otherwise couldn't, and the better you are the higher the ceiling for the ai art is. It is a bit of a struggle though, as in prompting and finding the right references is difficult to get good results

Edit: here are some examples for those wondering what I mean: https://imgur.com/a/mK3Iuzq

You can sort of tell they are AI because of the composition stuff but I think they are aight.

cowlevel 31 minutes ago | parent

I don't see how AI was necessary to create these.

thrw045 12 minutes ago | parent

It's not needed for a professional designer / photographer etc but now a person who does not have those resources can create them

andsoitis 29 minutes ago | parent

I agree with your thesis, but your link is to marketing images not art.

thrw045 12 minutes ago | parent

That's fair but there is a lot of creativity in prompting and finding the right image because on the way to those images there is a lot of experimentation and I came up with the ideas for the images not the AI.

freecodeio 37 minutes ago | parent

Another area where prices have increased due to AI because a bunch of soulless chronically online people can feel better about themselves.

Mind you, human-painted artwork is a niche beyond expensive art. Not everyone buys the equivalent of Monet paintings. I've been eyeing a painting by a local painter just to realize the prices jumped from $500 to something like $3000 on average. Sucks.

hardbass 34 minutes ago | parent

How are the prices a problem? If a person is just looking for a picture not a particular artist or philosophical theories, AI is cheaper. If a person wants to commission an artist, that was always a semi luxury even for cheapest of cheap rate online artists.

In fact if your old price was already 500 dollars then its already a useless luxury. People think a lot before paying 500 even for actual tools, anyone who has 500 to spend on a non-essential luxury is already doing something most people don't have any need to.

khalic 13 minutes ago | parent

Are you saying that artists getting payed more is a bad thing?

rpdillon 10 minutes ago | parent

I'm not sure what you're saying. Is the claim that the artist raised the cost of his work 6x because he's getting less work, because people are using AI instead? Maybe I'm in a bubble, but that doesn't seem credible. I'm trying to imagine the person that was thinking that they would hire a local artist to paint them a painting and then discovered AI and instead asked Gemini to do it. Those just seem like two completely separate use cases.

amelius 31 minutes ago | parent

There's one thing worse than "designed by AI" and it's "designed by committee". I wish more buildings were designed by AI. There's so much depressing architecture.

londons_explore 26 minutes ago | parent

If the AI is tasked with "Build a building as cheap as possible with as much floor area as is legally permissible", then it too will make dull buildings.

What you really need is more people willing to pay a premium to live/work in a unique or famous building like the empire state building, and then more such buildings will be built.

enos_feedler 8 minutes ago | parent

one person + ai >> a committee of people

softwaredoug 25 minutes ago | parent

I’ve started to see (and react negatively) to a kind of “Claude design”. Apps, slides, images share the same aesthetic, and even after aggressive prompting it reverts to a the mean.

I even create these things. But that aesthetic has started to imply a kind of throwaway, low value thing

What will be interesting is if models can create more diverse styles than the neutral Claude default we see everywhere

Ekaros 24 minutes ago | parent

We should just admit that human created art is dead. Just like hand coded code. Same thing. AI will soon beat any human in quantity and quality. Just accept it. It is over for humans.

torben-friis 22 minutes ago | parent

Just like photography killed realistic paintings and vynil killed the need of live music.

alansaber 19 minutes ago | parent

Similar trajectory to "human premium" for human-authored text (when we started using synthetic AI-generated text in pre-training, around 2023 for maybe llama-3?). AI text is OK (kind of like a low nutrient content food) but labs still pay a premium for high quality domain-specific data silos. As far as the consumer, pattern-breaking media will always have a place, slop videos follow a similar distribution and so there's naturally pushback against seeing the same thing, over and over even if it's not inherently crap (just as in AI-authored text).

slfnflctd 7 minutes ago | parent

A lot of us saw this one coming a while ago. Many, many artists of all kinds have already put up "AI-free" (or similar) badges on their work. I think it will be more significant in the fine arts world, however local art fairs could be affected as well.

I say the more the merrier, but artists who use AI in their workflows are going to be pressed about it - with negative connotations - for a while. Transparency is the best solution in my opinion.