36 points giuliomagnifico 1 hour ago 31 comments

avidruntime 1 hour ago | parent

All by design

Isamu 1 hour ago | parent

Okay whose design

afavour 1 hour ago | parent

The Republican Party, broadly. It's much easier to dismantle government when you've convinced voters that it is untrustworthy and incapable of success.

amelius 57 minutes ago | parent

So their plan is:

    1. Destroy the government.

    2. ???

    3. Profit.

afavour 56 minutes ago | parent

Step 2 is privatization, preferably to your friends and donors.

amelius 52 minutes ago | parent

How do they intend to keep away angry people with pitchforks without a government?

throw0101c 51 minutes ago | parent

> How do they intend to keep away angry people with pitchforks without a government?

We're talking about America here, not France. :)

amelius 22 minutes ago | parent

Okay, I meant angry people with guns.

afavour 50 minutes ago | parent

Oh, they don't want no government at all. Just to get rid of the parts that redistribute wealth downwards and/or make it more difficult for private enterprise to make profit. The police can stay, provided they stay on-side.

MisterTea 46 minutes ago | parent

What angry people with pitchforks?

vjvjvjvjghv 45 minutes ago | parent

They want very strong government. Surveillance, ICE, FBI, police all available to go after opponents. And going after fraud as long as it's committed by the little guy.

UncleOxidant 41 minutes ago | parent

They intend to keep people in a precarious position of debt and dependence such that they can't afford to pay attention because they're too busy trying to get by and afraid to lose their health insurance.

MisterTea 46 minutes ago | parent

2. "Do whatever the fuck we want because who's gonna stop us, the government we gutted? lol"

Duh.

sheikhnbake 57 minutes ago | parent

Step 1: Render government services ineffective

Step 2: Award contracts to private companies to fulfill the recently created gap in need

Step 3: profit

vjvjvjvjghv 48 minutes ago | parent

In Britain that seems to be the game plan for the NHS.

throw0101c 52 minutes ago | parent

vjvjvjvjghv 48 minutes ago | parent

"The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.”

datsci_est_2015 44 minutes ago | parent

Newt Gingrich set the standard for modern Republican obstructionism, but the idea goes further back. For example, Reagan’s “I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.” Ghastly statement in retrospect given what’s happened in the past 40 years. Imagine taking over an org and saying that you don’t think it’s capable of producing any positive outcomes for its shareholders (or stakeholders, more generally).

silverFork 1 hour ago | parent

legislative branch is the lowest at 28% approval and everything else is at 33% while judicial seats at 45%. Everything is about more than a half lower than beginning of millennium.

Is a surprise? Nope, not to me as a mere observer. Judicial sounded a bit too high to me after citizen united. Don't worry will eventually match the rest.

CoastalCoder 1 hour ago | parent

One thing I'm curious about re: Citizens United...

Do people have a problem with the validity of the legal reasoning, or with the court's wisdom in their final decision?

IANAL by a long shot. But I wonder if the constitution is pretty clear on the matter, but flawed in the sense that it sets us up for the current situation.

ballmerpoint 50 minutes ago | parent

Here’s an opinion poll from 2025:

https://issueone.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Issue-One-Yo...

Take with a grain of salt, of course; N is about 1000 and they were contracted by what I assume was a PAC trying to pass an anti-corruption state issue in Montana.

But that seems to be a significant, bipartisan moiety that disagree with parts of SCOTUS’ opinion.

happytoexplain 49 minutes ago | parent

"People", in the broad sense implied by a national poll, don't make that distinction (though if you asked them directly, they would have an opinion). They care about outcomes, not rationale. That actually makes perfect sense - that should be a typical person's point of view.

Of course this is orthogonal to the tribalism overlay that distorts everybody's perceptions, but I'm speaking about the foundation underneath that.

pyrale 47 minutes ago | parent

> Do people have a problem with the validity of the legal reasoning, or with the court's wisdom in their final decision?

Not familiar with the case, but Citizen United was a 5-4 decision, so the dissenting opinions are probably the first place you should look at if you're looking for issues with the legal reasoning and/or the court's wisdom.

silverFork 43 minutes ago | parent

Obviously there is a problem. It has upgraded corporations to speak as people and allowed them to spend as much as money as they want for elections and it has distorted the already distorted electioneering process to a farce.

Who are people ? the AstroTurfed versions that claimed to be people that got the thing through the courts or real people? Are real people familiar with cause and affect given the media presentations.. I don't know.. You have to ask them.

Was the given judicial ruling based on some sort of logical reasoning? No.. not just in my opinion; there are many that see it that way and they can tell you the exact legal reasonings. In my opinion though, the courts bases were preloaded for the game to deliver and they would have required extended hacking to get it loaded.

sandworm101 36 minutes ago | parent

The decision was legally sound. Most every supreme court decision is, even those that have been overruled. People forget that for a case to reach the supremes there has to be sound legal argument on multiple sides. Their decisions are therefore rather arbitrary but that is OK. The legislature can bypass any scotus decision through new laws or even a constitutional amendment. Our present difficulty is that the legislative branch has all but abandoned that role.

ARandomerDude 1 hour ago | parent

Since our federal government's raison d'être is to benefit Israel at the expense of the US and the world, it's no surprise that Americans no longer trust it.

mistrial9 54 minutes ago | parent

here in the San Francisco Bay Area, about three hours from now the actual tide sea levels will be about 1.42 feet above the predicted (Federal) tidal charts. I have been under the impression that those charts are politics-free and generally very accurate. Are the applicable Federal ocean tidal charts updated right now?

I will note that only 15 years ago, an indy report called "Adapting to Rising Tides" that shows this exact situation, was publicly attacked by several local govt agencies here, while the idea of "Climate Change" was actively attacked in the public media.

bix6 48 minutes ago | parent

That’s due to the kelvin waves caused by El Niño. Tide forecasts use astronomical methods which do not account for something non-periodic like this. Depending on where the waves are tide might be 1-2ft higher than normal. This is partly why Newport flooded on Friday.

Molitor5901 51 minutes ago | parent

"Public trust in government has been trending downward for the past two decades, but this year brings steeper declines in some measures."

I'm surprised there was ever much trust in government, and looking at the graph.. surprised to see it was 83% in 1974, during the Nixon administration, and it's just been going down ever since.

UncleOxidant 44 minutes ago | parent

The federal government used to be able to do things. In 74 it was only 5 years after NASA landed men on the moon, and there were continuing launches right until about then. Watergate started the trend of distrust.