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48 points debo_ 3 days ago 8 comments

jkingsman 1 hour ago | parent

AO3 rocks, as does the parent organization, the Organization for Transformative Works. They do a lot of pro bono legal work around free speech and copyright (which can be especially sticky around transformative works). AO3 has drawn ire and appreciation alike for their fierce free speech stance (which is, essentially, if it's against the law to exhibit in the state of New York (or against their TOS e.g. not a fanwork), it must come down. Everything -- EVERYTHING -- else stays.)

I also love another of their programs, Fanlore[0], a treasure trove of obscure internet fanfiction works, social groupings, and tropes. Sort of a combination oral history + TVTropes-esque fanfic breakdown.

Fanfiction is a beautiful thing and a great way to stretch creative writing muscles that can be helpful by being a bit less of a blank canvas than needing to invent characters and locations. Of course, a TON of fanfiction does invent, liberally, but I've seen people insist they can't write creatively, then make something beautiful when you ask them to rewrite a scene in their favorite show or book that they were disappointed with and boom, they just wrote their first fix-it fic[1].

Also, praise be for AO3 having no news feed/algorithm, and instead an incredibly intricate tagging system. Makes it easy to find what you want, avoid what you don't (see free speech commitment), and feel liberated from algorithmic exhaustion.

[0]: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Main_Page

[1]: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Fix-it

sincerely 1 hour ago | parent

> or against their TOS e.g. not a fanwork

Isn’t there an “original work” category?

robrtsql 58 minutes ago | parent

There is. Presumably, they mean you can’t upload the full text of someone else’s book and have it remain up.

scythe 27 minutes ago | parent

They're pretty open about it in practice. They don't want people hosting blogs, basically. Original fiction is almost always allowed.

scythe 18 minutes ago | parent

>I've seen people insist they can't write creatively, then make something beautiful

Yeah, now you have a worse problem. A few people like the first chapter you posted, now "oh shit I'd better come up with something good".

A curse on the OP. I was trying so hard to stop thinking about this today.

valorzard 51 minutes ago | parent

If you all are interested in fanfic, may I direct you to learn about one of my favorite pieces of internet art, my immortal? And, if you want to delve into the history behind this work of art, oh boy: https://youtu.be/0JodBp-r9jM

causesothere 32 minutes ago | parent

AO3 is wonderful. I strongly believe that humans have tens of thousands of years of telling and retelling stories. The Odyssey isn't one book, it's something that was composed and collected and retold.

The idea that a company could "own" a story and the characters within is recent. Very recent.

IMO, AO3 continues the human tradition of retelling stories, and we should celebrate that.

ballmerpoint 26 minutes ago | parent

I disapprove of how much underage material they host. Free speech absolutism runs head-first into its internal contradictions.