67 points healsdata 2 hours ago 76 comments
xvxvx 2 hours ago | parent
Someone add that to the list of bullshit he said.
sneak 55 minutes ago | parent
If you believe what you write, it’s easy money for you. Deal?
wlesieutre 52 minutes ago | parent
skeeter2020 51 minutes ago | parent
alistairSH 21 minutes ago | parent
And that $50k deposit made 9 years ago? That could have been nearly $300k in 2036.
"A fool and his money..."
I don't have any particular problem with a modest (a few 10s of thousands) deposit on a ~3 year timeline that's reasonably confident. But six figures on a 100% speculative consumer good (ie not even remotely an investment)? Oof, no thanks.
clipsy 50 minutes ago | parent
sneak 44 minutes ago | parent
alistairSH 18 minutes ago | parent
2OEH8eoCRo0 40 minutes ago | parent
jefftk 38 minutes ago | parent
otterley 37 minutes ago | parent
xvxvx 28 minutes ago | parent
vannevar 24 minutes ago | parent
lubujackson 20 minutes ago | parent
HarHarVeryFunny 17 minutes ago | parent
Note that the only version of the car that could conceivably be street legal is the base one with fan only, and no cold thruster launch - NTSB is never going to approve throwing out a condensation cloud smokescreen on the highway!
ourmandave 25 minutes ago | parent
He tweeted back in 2019 there would be a flying roadster.
Promises made, promises kept?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1083095876392964096
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1083128521801822213
Broken clock, etc.
Geezus_42 6 minutes ago | parent
Kevin_Flynn 1 hour ago | parent
The dialog of the event spelled it out.
"We are here at SpaceX's uh rocket test and development center in McGregor, Texas. It's 4,000 acres. Thank you for having us. Thank you for hosting us, SpaceX."
Establishes SpaceX as a giant.
"we're 20 years from when Elon first introduced the Roadster to the world. And it was really a proof of concept that proved EVs were viable product, fun to drive, could go the distance."
Establishes Elon/Tesla as an innovator. Spells out clearly the context "proof of concept." Associates "demonstrations" with "proof." Introduces the concepts of "fun", "viable", and "longevity" aka "distance."
"They were real cars. And look at how far we've come in those 20 years."
Compares introduction of a car, with current demonstration, and establishes the idea that todays "flying car" is going to be just as successful, given time.
"But you know, the last time we had Roadster and SpaceX together, we put Elons's into orbit."
Establishes "the sky as the limit" as to what these two companies can do together. The heart of the entire sales pitch.
"And you can see there, and you know, Starman is still out there somewhere. Amazing feat."
Defines "creating more space junk for publicity stunts" as an "amazing feat."
"you're going to see the results of what happens when you have a collaboration with the world's best car company and the world's best rocket company."
Repetition of the sales pitch to cement it.
"The future is autonomous, Elon, right? Yes. But this is not an autonomous car. It is the last. Well, it it is technically autonomous for this demo to make sure we don't kill anyone. Correct. So, just in case. Uh, but uh this will actually be long-term the only uh manually driven car that Tesla makes. You're going to have some fun sometimes. Yeah. And so, if you're going to have only one manually driven car, let's uh let's take it to the limits and way past the limits."
Confusion. Establishes autonomous with inevitibility. Claims demo car is not automous, then claims it is autonomous, because its dangerous to drive it manually. Plants the idea that its the only car you're gonna need, you can drive it manually, and its the ultimate experience.
Then, as everyone is confused, they start the countdown, and the magic show commences.
Either you see the scripted psyop aka sales pitch or you don't.
We all watched the same demo.
Some of us saw an amazing future.
The rest of us saw a circus selling timeshare condos.
Tesla and SpaceX are "engineering companies." Engineering is at the heart of what they do.
Wouldn't you have more confidence, if they had engineered something useful for a demonstration as an investor, instead of the song and dance ?
Companies are supposed to produce useful products to generate profits, which is why investors invest, right ?
To me it looks like they are out of actual real useful ideas. If they had a new useful idea why didn't we see it ?
I think this might have lowered institutional investor confidence because it looks like a vegas show and smells like a tourist pump and dump intended to capture the "retail publics" money.
You can do better Elon. I know you can.
ps. I am a Starlink subscriber, and I love the service. Please don't cancel me.
onlypassingthru 1 hour ago | parent
Kevin_Flynn 1 hour ago | parent
My intention was to demonstrate the intent behind the demonstration, as physics says this is 100+ times more inefficient than a business jet, and will never fly more than 5 miles given its current size. Thats not me, thats PHYSICS.
This was a sales pitch for a corporate merger, not a product launch.
This is financial engineering.
So by "do better" I meant, think longer term, solve a real problem. They have the resources, and the talent, and we got a donkey show.
pfdietz 1 hour ago | parent
bcatanzaro 49 minutes ago | parent
Instead of S3XY cars we get stunts. Solar roofs, Concept car roadsters, and of course humanoid robots.
If only Tesla would be interested in cars again.
hingler36 1 hour ago | parent
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lberk 48 minutes ago | parent
The Trabant often had wait lists of ten or more years[1][2].
The Soviet Lada often had wait times of five to ten years[3].
Even the Morgan Plus 8 had wait lists of (reportedly) a decade long as recently as 1990[4].
[1] - https://doi.org/10.1093/hwj/dbp016 [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant [3] - https://theses.gla.ac.uk/71079/1/10390647.pdf [4] - https://www.morganville.org/history/the-waiting-list
Svip 40 minutes ago | parent
Usually, if you had been unable to deliver a product in that time, it's probably about time to cancel it. Of course, I may be wrong, but my understanding is that 9-year-ago-announced Roadster has not been cancelled, and people have not been refunded.
lberk 17 minutes ago | parent
> Usually, if you had been unable to deliver a product in that time, it's probably about time to cancel it.
Why? Seems like demand (in this case) is sufficient enough to still launch the product. If a business has the demand for the product and sufficient capital to continue investing in an area they deem to have a viable product, isn't that their prerogative?
[0] - https://podscripts.co/podcasts/waveform-the-mkbhd-podcast/wh...
RobotToaster 40 minutes ago | parent
gremlinunderway 24 minutes ago | parent
Because I can't believe anyone would seriously make a comparison to a 55+ year old car manufactured in a communist country.
It's like saying that an email server that takes a week to send emails is fine because the wait times for a posted letter in the 1960s could take 2 weeks.
turtlebits 4 minutes ago | parent
WarmWash 40 minutes ago | parent
ambicapter 22 minutes ago | parent
micromacrofoot 1 hour ago | parent
kylecazar 1 hour ago | parent
He still has a lot of wealthy acolytes (for some reason) and they live for exclusive new shit.
jgilias 1 hour ago | parent
r0ckarong 1 hour ago | parent
epolanski 1 hour ago | parent
There's 1000 people that preordered their Roadster in 2017 for 250k $....
And they are rumoring now 2028 production, which in Tesla style will be deep in 2030s. If it ever happens.
bamboozled 1 hour ago | parent
LewisVerstappen 1 hour ago | parent
I have FSD and it’s amazing.
lubujackson 18 minutes ago | parent
darth_avocado 8 minutes ago | parent
jansport123 58 minutes ago | parent
sportsracersss 55 minutes ago | parent
Elon's M.O. is to roll his tapped-out prior ventures (including debts) into the current white-hot thing.
andsoitis 51 minutes ago | parent
> Elon's M.O. is to roll his tapped-out prior ventures (including debts) into the current white-hot thing.
SpaceX is the long game. It started before Tesla. It is not a fly by night operation.
parsimo2010 45 minutes ago | parent
andsoitis 34 minutes ago | parent
ambicapter 20 minutes ago | parent
Geezus_42 7 minutes ago | parent
andsoitis 6 minutes ago | parent
I don't understand.
Is it because you are a SpaceX shareholder and you feel your interests as a shareholder are undermined? If you have not vested interest in SpaceX, why would you care that it supports some shitty venture like Twitter/X?
otterley 39 minutes ago | parent
Hydraulix989 53 minutes ago | parent
mvkel 50 minutes ago | parent
You can hear it in the voices of the creators, when they're giving an overview of the car to MotorWeek and other car media outlets. 99% focused on the rocket and battery tech/innovation, almost zero about the actual driving characteristics of the car, or that it -is- a car. Seems more like a rolling marketing mule.
vannevar 32 minutes ago | parent
skybrian 11 minutes ago | parent
HarHarVeryFunny 9 minutes ago | parent
dgellow 12 minutes ago | parent
andai 10 minutes ago | parent
ourmandave 44 minutes ago | parent
Insane acceleration to get up the ramp and enough fuel to land safely.
Unless you have a giant ramp or a penchant to drive off cliffs who is lining up for this?
jefftk 42 minutes ago | parent
It climbed the ramp very slowly. It doesn't require insane acceleration at all, just a reasonable amount of power at the wheels combined with a fan that can hold it to the track.
ourmandave 37 minutes ago | parent
I suppose the Fast and Furious guys are work shopping a scene around this.
jefftk 36 minutes ago | parent
gandhiandy69 35 minutes ago | parent
ZiiS 28 minutes ago | parent
ok123456 20 minutes ago | parent