68 points greyface- 2 hours ago 26 comments

aliasxneo 1 hour ago | parent

I've always hypothesized this was going on. It'll be interesting to see the results.

trilogic 1 hour ago | parent

The real class action case is that the huge stream of money flow is not cashing in Europe at all, not a cent. Who the f owns the infrastructure? If I buy a domain from and in Europe the money got to stay in Europe.

Fnoord 1 hour ago | parent

The real class action is the issue of a fascist government declaring antifascism terrorism, making all bank transfers void, seizing their domain (.org). They could do the same to ICC and ICJ, or anyone they dislike really. Most root-servers are located in America, too.

That some company is behind .com or some TLD and earning some money with that is a nothingburger.

navigate8310 1 hour ago | parent

Operators for gTLDs specifically .com .org .net serve large bases and operate under extensive contractual obligations, which can constrain arbitrary targeted enforcement. Than, some ccTLDs that have weaker mechanisms for appeal, leaving registrars and registrants exposed to discretionary decisions by the ccTLD operator or relevant national authorities

Kwpolska 1 hour ago | parent

Great, I'm going to get a check for $0.01! Totally worth the millions the lawyers will get.

vlyan 1 hour ago | parent

>Verisign’s financial filings indicate it costs Verisign approximately $3 per domain to operate .com domains

to maintain a few hundred bytes in a database small enough to be served from a computer from the 90s?

80fj0348i 1 hour ago | parent

Most of the costs to provide digital services are salaries for the employees. You need engineers, support staff, lawyers, and some supporting roles like finance and security/compliance to meet the legal and contractual obligations of the service.

selcuka 43 minutes ago | parent

Sure, but remember that Verisign manages a total of 179 million domains. They also have less than 1,000 employees. Can they really have a salary cost of >$530K per employee? It's obviously the executive team that pockets most of that cost.

sparkling 21 minutes ago | parent

Welcome to the wonderful world of corporate overhead and inefficiencies.

lopis 1 hour ago | parent

I wonder how much those operating costs would fall if you slashed salaries in half for all executives earning more than 4 million a year?

dv_dt 6 minutes ago | parent

Or replace them with AI

sunaookami 29 minutes ago | parent

.de costs me 1,14 € per year for comparison (using Netcup). Denic is also non-profit.

tamimio 1 hour ago | parent

The internet needs an independent tld that’s not controlled by any entity, I see a lot of people over selling self hosting as the ultimate freedom, and while it’s great and better than relying in saas, you are still under the mercy of some entity and have a single point of failure in your setup. And before someone chimes in, onion aren’t practical.

Asraelite 43 minutes ago | parent

Are you saying onion isn't practical, or Tor isn't practical? They're not the same thing.

LoganDark 14 minutes ago | parent

Considering you need Tor Browser to access onion, are those really so different?

a96 7 minutes ago | parent

You do not. Tor browser is just a browser and proxy baked together for convenience. You can use any proxy and any browser you want.

zx8080 1 hour ago | parent

I'm curious. That's the class action from US residents. Would this thing effectively force Verisign to overcharge those purchasing .com domains from outside of the US (while lowering the price for those inside the US)?

p2hari 26 minutes ago | parent

Yes, same question here from my end, if anyone can answer. I had purchased some during those time frame here in EU. How does that work?

Kovah 19 minutes ago | parent

My best guess: prices stay where they are, or will raise as Verisign pleases in the following decades, and the US customers receive a laughably small refund for their domains after a decade long case settled outside of court after especially lawyers earned their golden noses.

jimbobimbo 39 minutes ago | parent

I just renewed domain name I own for maybe 20+ years, for $23/yr. This is nuts.

behindsight 10 minutes ago | parent

who's your registrar? that sounds like GoDaddy levels of pricing.

Cloudflare, porkbun and others can get you a .com for $10-$11/yr

chrismorgan 26 minutes ago | parent

It’s not just Verisign on .com; the entire gTLD system is corrupt (ccTLDs vary). .org and .info are probably even clearer examples.

I have wondered at times whether gTLDs were a mistake and everything should have been under ccTLDs.

sparkling 17 minutes ago | parent

ccTLDs have their own problems, many of them have been effectively privatized and are operated just like gTLDs.

One particular weird example would be the Bulgarian .bg TLD: https://eualternative.eu/guides/bulgaria-bg-private-registry...

crossroadsguy 23 minutes ago | parent

Aren't we close to decentralised domains or some sort of easy and open web indentifiers? But I think whatever we go for there are always middle-entities (aka middlemen). Crypto, and everything else. The choice comes down to either having to something like a SHA256 hash as an identifier or pay somone and then also get controlled by that someone and then with that comes the whole charade and laundry list of potential problems. That's why classic domains stuck around. Everything is a hassle and controlled, so go with something that is actually established.

Same goes for payment methods. I recently tried to buy some crypto to pay for (legally) at some "legit" sites like openrouter. I gave up after 2-3 days. Tried exchanges in my own country and also some famous non-local ones that are legally compliant to operate in my country and goodness it was a clusterfuck of darkpatterns and nightmare of steps and waits and locks and what not. I finally just created a temp card on my banking app with tiny credit spend limits and got done with it.

We attack the wrrong problems. Like "make it decentralised"! The thing is the decentralised immediately becomes centralised for any meaningful usage and often much worse and slower and in some cases costlier. Imho, we should rather work for "make them accountable" and the accountability should be decentralised to different countries and eventually to people. But then this happens via Govts and even the ones that are actually elected by people don't like to give such powers into the hands of the people and lose contorl.

mzajc 7 minutes ago | parent

Tor is great for this, as long as you're willing to put up with very long domain names, a mild amount of stigmatization, and an extra software requirement for visitors.