67 points xoxxala 2 hours ago 75 comments

LoganDark 1 hour ago | parent

The live-action Halo series was so good. Anything else like it these days? I also liked Pantheon, Arcane, Atlas (2024), I Am Mother, Tau, and probably some others I'm forgetting. Total sucker for advanced tech/magic systems that are consistent.

(I even like some kids' shows too, like Tales of Arcadia and Miraculous Ladybug, just for having consistent tech/magic systems... also Daniel Spellbound)

I know of some much older shows with incredibly huge lore, like Star Trek and Stargate, and I do love reading about them, but I'm still struggling to get started with any of their shows/movies themselves, they feel a bit dry.

roosterIllusi0n 1 hour ago | parent

I recommend anyone to watch the two parter in season 2 for the fall of reach. The entire existence of this show is worth for those two episodes.

kleeklee 1 hour ago | parent

The second season was actually really good. Unfortunately, I think the first season turned too many people away, and by the time the show got better, it was already too late. Cancelled. Such a shame.

kyriakos 12 minutes ago | parent

If it came out 15 years ago it would have been a big success. These days there isn't a lot of patience from srudios execs and audiences to allow for a TV series to get it's footing. I'm seeing this with a lot of older good TV shows that wouldn't be successful in today's environment (for example star trek TNG)

donbox 1 hour ago | parent

Oh my gosh, someone reboot the Stargate please - in any form.

rapatel0 1 hour ago | parent

The live action halo looked nice but was a story telling abomination completely unfaithful to the source material.

LoganDark 56 minutes ago | parent

I liked it

throwaway314155 35 minutes ago | parent

That was probably one of the worst video game adaptations I've ever seen. Especially in comparison to recent additions like The Last of Us and Fallout. No disrespect.

kyriakos 15 minutes ago | parent

To be fair last of us after season 1 was pretty bad too. Halo got better in season 2 but the awful first season killed it. Other then fallout and arcane there haven't been any good game adaptations (on TV). I'd go as far as say that twisted metal was more fun than any of them.

roosterIllusi0n 1 hour ago | parent

Microslop really must think they are irreplaceable.

wewewedxfgdf 1 hour ago | parent

I thought it was an offer to buy Xbox for $500M - that's what its worth under Microsoft's current generation of leadership.

donbox 1 hour ago | parent

Could you drill down? Please.

hakfoo 1 hour ago | parent

Consoles are a struggling market right now.

The architectural differences that made a console more compelling than a standalone PC are largely gone. (Nintendo is a bit of an exception here, but they were always playing a different market than Sony and MS anyway)

This means it's harder and harder to say "here's a unique experience you only get on Xbox" (or Playstation for that matter)

The price advantage is going away fast, especially with talk that next-gen consoles will top USD 1000.

All they have left is their prestige first-party products, which they don't seem to really know how to use effectively. Some of them have solid cultural penetration, and could spawn broader media franchises with the right handling.

frez1 1 hour ago | parent

consoles are only getting much more expensive to produce as well, with PC parts prices going through the roof

WhiteDawn 57 minutes ago | parent

Another attraction for publishers was (historically) a much lower adoption of piracy.

Part of the sales pitch is you need more than just a torrent client to pirate.

Now in the world of AI I think this moat is evaporating. Hypervisor exploits are dropping like rain and determined individuals can vibe code a reasonably performant emulator in a couple of weeks.

In that world the only reasonable edge you have left is high prestige exclusives and merchandising/physical sales.

Nintendo has this cornered, one of the few companies who can pull off a rabid fan base buying a console they already own because this time there’s a triforce on it.

Meanwhile Sony and Microsoft are diluting their own IP and going full digital. Writing is on the wall if you ask me.

MBCook 27 minutes ago | parent

Consoles won’t go anywhere. They have advantages but more than anything so so SO SO many consumers want them and don’t want to mess with computers.

They’re gaming appliances and that will still be a huge draw.

PS: Sony gave up PC publishing, so that argument no longer holds. It was a dumb move as you said.

afavour 56 minutes ago | parent

Wouldn’t the price increases on consoles also affect PCs? GPUs aren’t exactly cheap right now.

> This means it's harder and harder to say "here's a unique experience you only get on Xbox" (or Playstation for that matter)

That’s also been the case for a very long time. That’s why they sign deals for exclusives.

eddythompson80 44 minutes ago | parent

The exclusives business model worked for Sony for the ps4 generation for sure. But it seems that the cost of developing ever larger and more ambitious games has ballooned in recent years. Intentionally limiting your distribution seems misguided. Even Sony has been releasing their exclusives on PC too after some exclusivity time.

On the other hand it seems to work for Nintendo which keeps their consoles intentionally underpowered and don’t try to compete with the AAA game expectations with the majority of their titles.

MBCook 30 minutes ago | parent

It’s their choice to continue to develop ever bigger super-tent-pole septuple-A games.

Look at all the amazing stuff in the indie space. Let your developers go wild and make neat games that don’t cost $200 billion each.

You could have so many test exclusives like the more fun and experimental stuff we had in the PS1/2 era.

You don’t have to give up the big games. Just don’t focus entirely on them.

Same problem movie studios have. They chase the “sure things” and just pump more money in to be “more sure”. It’s all more fragile than ever.

conductr 9 minutes ago | parent

The idea is that the hardware overlaps enough that consumers would rather only buy the generic version which is the PC. It works for gaming and everything else. There was a time consoles thought they could steal share from the PC market by including browsers and whatnot but I think that never panned out as expected

Razengan 55 minutes ago | parent

> Consoles are a struggling market right now.

You're out of touch.

Step outside an echo chamber and you'll see that in most countries, including East Asia and the Middle East, if you take a walk around any big mall, you don't see kids pestering their parents to buy them a PC. They ask for a PlayStation or an Xbox or a "Nintendo" (yep that's what people still call the Switch)

In conbinis, there are Xbox and PlayStation gift cards hanging from the shelves, in the local currency.

There are accessories for PS/Xbox/Switch everywhere, more than PC gaming accessories.

And it's not because the PC stuff gets sold out while the consy stuff gathers cobwebs: If that was the case the consoles would stop getting restocked after a few months, but they keep stocking newer stuff. Meanwhile I have to hunt around and specifically request for Razer or Mad Catz or other PC-specific brands.

> The architectural differences that made a console more compelling than a standalone PC are largely gone.

If you go hang out at someone's home, nobody says "Let's go to my bedroom desk and play something on the PC", no they crash on the couch and turn on the TV and fire up FIFA or some other normie shit.

throwaway314155 38 minutes ago | parent

> Step outside an echo chamber and you'll see that in most countries, including East Asia and the Middle East, if you take a walk around any big mall, you don't see kids pestering their parents to buy them a PC.

This is still the case in the U.S. for the most part. The point is moreso that barrier to entry is lowering. The SteamDeck is a PC/console and a good example of a possible trend in that direction.

Razengan 34 minutes ago | parent

Just a couple weeks ago in Bali someone said "Oh you have a Nintendo too?" and pulled out their Switch. Meanwhile I haven't made a Steam friend in the wild in years

Hell I saw PlayStations in barbershops in Vietnam! There's no way you'd see a PC in those environments.

The Steam Deck certainly reduces the gap, but I've yet to see it penetrate "normie" social circles, and it's still rare in random gaming shops compared to console stuff. Have Valve released their OS for other handheld manufacturers to use? That's probably the only way to end Windows' dominance and improve the coolness factor of "PC" gaming.

throwaway314155 22 minutes ago | parent

Yeah I think we're mostly in agreement. Consoles will continue to dominate for the foreseeable future.

BobbyTables2 35 minutes ago | parent

I feel like gaming controllers for PCs never gained popular acceptance.

Sure, there are advantages to using a keyboard+mouse in a FPS game but it’s a much different gaming experience than a handheld controller.

Razengan 33 minutes ago | parent

> I feel like gaming controllers for PCs never gained popular acceptance.

I will never forgive Microsoft for killing SideWinder.

Vaushite 32 minutes ago | parent

Xbox controllers work pretty seamlessly on Microsoft platforms.

But I don't get why HN is randomly shadowbanning half my comments and not the other half! This one wasn't shadowbanned.

what 18 minutes ago | parent

Usually means your comments are getting flagged by other users. I’m not going to dig through your comments to speculate on why, but I don’t think there are any automated filters that will kill only some of your comments.

devin 45 minutes ago | parent

> The architectural differences that made a console more compelling than a standalone PC are largely gone.

No, the main driver is still there. People do not want to build and maintain PCs. Your 14-year-old nephew doesn't want to do it, either. People want to turn on a box and play a game. I am technical and I want absolutely nothing to do with maintaining a PC. I'll take the console experience every single time.

MBCook 33 minutes ago | parent

Plus developers get simplicity in having one (well two these days) configurations per console brand to deal with. Not 12 billion.

Vaushite 33 minutes ago | parent

That's the Steam Machine.

exhilaration 25 minutes ago | parent

> standalone PC

My take is that almost nobody has a standalone PC anymore, especially kids. Kids these days all start with iPads, them maybe they move up to Macbooks once they get to high school or college. Other than the local LLM fanatics I see here on HN, I have no idea who's buying those PC towers anymore, they seem like fringe relics from the past century.

eddythompson80 53 minutes ago | parent

I know the theories about Microsoft selling Xbox or spinning it off are common on the internet these days. They might even make sense from a high level business prospective. However, I don’t understand how they could do it from a technical standpoint without still having huge leverage on the company buying it. Xbox runs a customized version of NT, DirectX and HyperV as far as I know. Any company buying it would have to get some licensing deal from Microsoft to further develop and maintain NT and HyperV or rely on Microsoft doing the development which both seem unrealistic for any company to wanna pick up, or for Microsoft to give away. I know they don’t really care about Windows these days, but still.

I’m sure if they are forced to (legally or otherwise) they can find a solution, but it would be a thorny thing to split.

steele 1 hour ago | parent

Netflix saturating the landscape with poorly executed adaptations of Microsoft owned media properties is almost certainly not worth the short term dollars for long-term erosion of their perceived value, especially without some certainty of securing complementary title launches. Given the shuttering of studios to right-size for the cambrian explosion of slop for COVID era hardware, Xbox probably wouldn't be able to make that capital work for them any better than sitting on licences until they accrue nostalgia.

jayd16 1 hour ago | parent

Their game adaptations are actually pretty good though.

zug_zug 58 minutes ago | parent

The only one I can think of is Arcane season 1. What are you thinking of?

unsupp0rted 57 minutes ago | parent

Halo could be (peak) Game of Thrones level in the right hands, which means the right execs, producers and investors just as much as it does creatives.

Unfortunately, the right hands potentially no longer exist. The current generation seems largely unable to produce good things, with few exceptions (notably Andor)

a34729t 48 minutes ago | parent

GOT is hot naked sexy people and swords. I feel like Halo isnt that, at all.

caconym_ 41 minutes ago | parent

I think Halo could successfully get the Andor treatment (intentional departure from the tone and scope of mainline entries) in the right hands, but so could pretty much anything, and such hands are hard to find.

unsupp0rted 13 minutes ago | parent

The majority of GOT isn't hot naked sexy people or swords: it's conversations in rooms. Most good shows are conversations in rooms, which is why it's so surprising we've lost the ability to produce and write them.

Babylon 5 demonstrated that you can keep absolutely everything else crappy (effects, costumes, heck acting and even cinematography), so long as you're good at conversations in rooms.

hattmall 34 minutes ago | parent

Anything could be game of thrones (early seasons) if it well written. You don't really need any Halo rights if you have good writers and can make a good show. The point of having Halo rights is they let you produce a mid show but have an automatic audience.

unsupp0rted 7 minutes ago | parent

It seems that way, but it's not that easy. Starcraft competitions are still on tv in South Korea 28 years later because they got the balance just right, and all the dirty little details of that universe.

In theory you can make any sci fi show about future humans and a couple other species going to war. Should be straightforward.

But getting the balance of that universe right in terms of little details is tricky: Halo has done the heavy lifting already.

jackbeanstalk20 1 hour ago | parent

Microsoft, plz set your IP free. It is better in others' hands

samtheprogram 55 minutes ago | parent

This is so, so wrong, at least in the context that you're pitching it.

Fallout is great example of a subset of their IP making a huge turnaround. Halo is not.

To sell all the IP at once is grave mistake. They would easily make more on separate deals. Netflix not taking it all at 800m seems like a mistake.

bobbyblackstone 1 hour ago | parent

I have referred this back to the exec team and encouraged them to sign the $800 million dollar offer.

For 12 years of rights.

donbox 1 hour ago | parent

Not trusting in Netflix at the moment to deliver (though I own some stock). Fallout, which Amazon exexuted, was on par with Andor ( a Disney series) in my book. Case by case deals make sense to me.

zug_zug 59 minutes ago | parent

Fallout on par with Andor??? Wild take. The only thing Netflix has ever done that comes close to Andor imo is Bojack. I felt Fallout had one good season then quickly became rudderless and at this point is half a notch above all those shows that I can't even remember how many seasons I've watched because it all blends together.

TheAtomic 34 minutes ago | parent

100%

ailun 29 minutes ago | parent

Beef, Dark, Mindhunters, The Haunting of Hill House, Midnight Mass, and Narcos are also in the same tier as Andor for me. Black Mirror also although it didn’t start with Netflix.

Cyph0n 58 minutes ago | parent

Andor is in a league of its own imo. Once in a generation kind of show.

But it is similar to Fallout in that it was able to break out of its universe. Andor is enjoyable even if one hates Star Wars; Fallout is enjoyable even if you dislike gaming.

robmccoll 1 hour ago | parent

I fundamentally do not understand the direction of Xbox. Microsoft seems to lack the commitment to any strategy and seems unwilling to wait for investments to pay off before trying to cut perceived losses.

pixelatedindex 1 hour ago | parent

My “hot take”: they’re going the direction of Disney/Marvel hybrid. Have a few handful of IPs that are extremely successful, milk it out with licensing deals in every vertical (toys, games, merch, cross-dlcs, books, etc). They’re just missing theme parks. The actual game development portion would probably be very small.

derektank 51 minutes ago | parent

Would not complain if Microsoft wanted to drop a few billion on a new US theme park. The Pacific Northwest is pretty light on amusement parks and I could imagine a park with Halo, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, and Minecraft "Lands" doing gangbusters. Supposedly they're already working with a UK amusement park operator on a Minecraft experience

georgel 50 minutes ago | parent

I would totally go to a Halo theme park, that sounds cool.

njovin 41 minutes ago | parent

What exclusive IP does Xbox even have anymore? They tanked all the studios that were doing good work for them and AFAIK Halo’s done.

kettlecorn 36 minutes ago | parent

Minecraft, Call of Duty, Warcraft, Diablo, Elder Scrolls.

tonyhart7 1 hour ago | parent

they already heading towards that direction but unfortunately AI happen

so they switch course midway to focus at AI

guidedlight 58 minutes ago | parent

There are rumours that Microsoft is internally demanding 30% margin from Xbox, and the gaming industry simply doesn't operate with those types of margins long term and it's not even in a position to dictate industry pricing.

It's like the entire company is only satisfied with being #1.

The whole thing is very confused and lacks consistency. The latest rumours are they are going to break up its Game Pass subscription offering so there are different subscriptions for multiplayer, cloud, games, etc. Isn't that the opposite of an effective subscription strategy?

rao-v 57 minutes ago | parent

GPUs that were planned for cloud streaming are much more valuable now. It (unfortunately) makes sense for the only real cloud streaming player to significantly revisit pricing.

devin 48 minutes ago | parent

Sure, but it's also feels like incredibly short-term thinking. Embarrassingly so.

Vaushite 34 minutes ago | parent

Success in business is all about short-term thinking. If they destroy the Xbox brand today they can still pick it back up next year. Who else will you go with - Sony?

devin 6 minutes ago | parent

Did you forget to put an /s on this?

eddythompson80 43 minutes ago | parent

Doesn’t Steam also take a 30% cut?

reactordev 39 minutes ago | parent

30% on $10M and under. 25% on $10M to $50M. 20% on $50M+.

MBCook 36 minutes ago | parent

Valve isn’t trying to make a bunch of games with AND pay for/off all the studios they bought, all while trying to advertise and compete with Sony and Nintendo in hardware.

Steam just sits back and takes money, for the most part. The hardware/software/advertising spend is probably a drop in the bucket compared to MS.

scott_w 35 minutes ago | parent

You’re confusing 2 different things. Microsoft isn’t demanding a “cut,” it’s demanding its business units achieve a 30% profit margin on its investment. I think industry standard is closer to 10% once you factor in games that don’t make a return on their investment.

eddythompson80 34 minutes ago | parent

oh I see. I misunderstood OP

aaronbrethorst 58 minutes ago | parent

My guess is that Asha Sharma is re-enacting the plot of the film The Producers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Producers_(1967_film)

Loughla 50 minutes ago | parent

I was really hoping Sing would have a more Producers sort of vibe. Failing theater and director. It was there for the taking, but apparently Disney doesn't think Springtime for Hitler is a good look?

doctorpangloss 42 minutes ago | parent

it's easy. imagine a bunch of execs with kids. the execs don't play any video games. their kids aren't allowed any screentime. okay, now they're trying to make a product whose primary audience is Bart Simpson. do you see how that leadership is completely disconnected from their audience?

pjmlp 11 minutes ago | parent

While I agree, a confusing part for non gamers, is to differentiate Xbox, the games console, from Xbox, the business unit, from Xbox, the Microsoft games publishing business.

Only Xbox, the games console, is having a bad time, the publishing part is doing great with movie licenses, and all the studios that belong to Microsoft, regardless where they sell their games.

jdw64 49 minutes ago | parent

But I feel sorry that Xbox gets so much criticism. Xbox itself may have weak game sales because of Windows integration and Game Pass, but separate from that, the first-party games got poor reviews. Microsoft’s wrong strategy (sales shrinking because of Game Pass) is part of it, but Microsoft also failed at quality control for its first-party titles.(like redfall,starfiled etc...)

xnx 33 minutes ago | parent

Title is kind of incomplete.

"[Netflix] recently made an offer to exclusively license Xbox titles from Microsoft for film and TV adaptations: $500 million for seven years."

Source: https://puck.news/newsletter_content/what-im-hearing-the-pet... (full text shows in reading mode)

demibabs 22 minutes ago | parent

At first I thought that meant “Netflix wanted to buy Xbox for 500m” and I was like “damn I can’t believe the brand is worth so little now”