56 points schleck8 1 hour ago 65 comments

12329876 58 minutes ago | parent

Banning AI, sure. But demanding multiple contributors? All of D.J. Bernstein's software would be banned. This is typical Reddit nonsense.

cowlevel 33 minutes ago | parent

Numbered throwaway account 24 minutes old, this is a spam wave using residential proxies and dang is banning these accounts as they pop up.

akslr-asg 28 minutes ago | parent

19 day old cowlevel account that specializes in witty one liners gives their opinion again. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

flexagoon 25 minutes ago | parent

"Numbered throwaway account 24 minutes old, this is a spam wave using residential proxies and dang is banning these accounts as they pop up."

Here, I said the exact same thing with a 5 year old account, does it make it more true to you?

not_a_bot_4sho 15 minutes ago | parent

Yup, that's exactly the point.

Cowlevel commenting on that topic is (unintentionally? or cleverly?) hypocritical.

jonathanstrange 57 minutes ago | parent

Who cares, it's their choice and probably because they were overwhelmed with LLM-generated project announcements.

I'm aware that being anti-AI is trendy right now, so many people won't like to hear that, but the reality is that it won't take long until the opposite will occur. Projects will get rejected for not having been thoroughly checked by AI, if not written by AI, because purely human development will cause too many security and code quality concerns.

voakbasda 47 minutes ago | parent

I keep comparing AI versus human coding as the difference between power tools and hand tools.

Hand tools have no place in the modern economy outside of bespoke or otherwise high-end goods. Today, the economics of power tools make them necessary to embrace in business, or your competitors will out maneuver you in the marketplace.

That doesn’t mean all of existing craftsmen believe that the power tools are safer or produce better results; their opinion ultimately does not matter, as it would lead to the demise of their income stream. The majority will learn to swallow their pride, because they cannot deny that things have changed forever.

My company put off adopting AI until this month. We will never go back, because I am now effectively leading a team of egoless juniors at a fraction of the cost of a single human. The economics will never work out in favor of me writing another line of code.

syshyk 37 minutes ago | parent

Pfft, a circular saw will cut pretty much as straight as a normal saw, and it will repeat this over and over with expected results. It is not comparable to the woolly and changing nature of AI as it stands.

Juniors without egos? Never heard of it.

voakbasda 34 minutes ago | parent

The ego thing is one of the biggest draw for me to AI. I hate working with other people. God damn fragile egos, arrogance, impertinence, and bad hygiene. I would pay extra for AI.

amanaplanacanal 32 minutes ago | parent

I wonder, when you retire, who will they find to replace you?

voakbasda 27 minutes ago | parent

At our current rate of AI progress, I no longer expect this career to last until my retirement. It’ll be agents all the way down soon enough.

And I have been an AI skeptic, so it pains me greatly to admit that.

cowlevel 32 minutes ago | parent

And yet you must learn the hand tool before you start using the power version.

voakbasda 23 minutes ago | parent

They use completely different techniques. You do not need to learn how to use hand tools first, but most individuals are more likely to afford them.

Then again, you have the saftey factor. Some people should be given hand tools first, so you can see whether they can be trusted with power tools. Just as you would give a junior small tasks before trusting them with something bigger.

ryan_glass 32 minutes ago | parent

I like the analogy. Interesting to note that a lot of the really high end furniture is still made using hand tools. But it is not affordable for most, who will buy mass produced furniture made by machines.

evolve2k 26 minutes ago | parent

Nope.

You are not accounting for the inherent error rate; around 20-40% as I understand it. Reducible with tokens but then not cheaper than humans.

Sure a good analogy is physical vs robotic; but if it was say burgers. It would be a current McDonalds burger vs some new robot place that makes then half price or cheaper but every aspect of the burger is off quality wise; missing ingredients, mistaken orders, incorrect ingredients, weird toppings; BUT DARN ARE THEY FAST.

You’ve gotten faster but you’ve added an error rate that either you expensively inspect for or it moves to the edge.

TuxSH 18 minutes ago | parent

It's the choice of the moderators* and they are banning solo projects, and any kind of AI usage even if not slop.

satvikpendem 56 minutes ago | parent

r/rust did something similar although more broad, banning code dumps. Other subs like r/programming, r/cscareerquestions, r/experienceddevs banned in part or in full anything related to AI or using AI (unless highly technical) and frankly they're much nicer places to read now, because I don't have to hear about yet another engineer who "lost the love of programming" as if they're the only one. It's a repetitive thread that still gets upvoted highly and is sort of an easy way to farm upvotes and thus is quite annoying to read generally.

saghm 45 minutes ago | parent

This logic would work just as well to ban all mentions of automatic transmission because some people complain that they lost their love of driving once they stopped driving manual. If the complaints are annoying and low-effort, you could just ban the complaints.

rfgplk 40 minutes ago | parent

Just quiz any of these AI detractors on pure asm + CPU implementation details. Oh what's this? You're writing this in Rust? Can you please tell me how the compiler optimizes this code and what assembly will it produce. Oh what's that, you can't do it? Well, it's obviously because you're not a true engineer™ and you're relying on the slop your compiler gives you.

fishgoesblub 54 minutes ago | parent

Banning the dime a dozen slop projects popping up every 5 minutes isn't so bad of an idea, but banning new, or projects that have less than 3 contributors is just wrong. XZ would be banned from being posted. There's also the fact that it appears to be a blanket ban on LLM contributions, so I guess the Linux kernel is verboten?

cowlevel 31 minutes ago | parent

Single contributor new project open source is LARP open source. It makes no difference what your license is, if nobody cares about your project. That comes first.

throwawayffffas 29 minutes ago | parent

How are you going to get people to care if you are barred from sharing it on reddit?

undersuit 20 minutes ago | parent

Try another subreddit.

paxy 50 minutes ago | parent

r/opensource isn't a particularly large or important community. This is just another reddit mod on a power trip. Happens every day.

theturtletalks 47 minutes ago | parent

Just like r/math banning the huge math release by OpenAI. Reddit’s shunning of AI has rendered it useless. I used to find so many projects on Reddit and now, it’s less and less.

X has somehow became the best place to find interesting open-source projects people are building.

croes 45 minutes ago | parent

How do you find the good ones between the bad ones and the malware infected?

f311a 41 minutes ago | parent

Reddit struggles with AI submissions, there were like 20 AI oss projects per day in /r/Rust at some point. Most of them are slop and it’s hard to find something valuable.

X uses recommendations, so you don’t see all the projects and small accounts. You consume curated content.

rfgplk 38 minutes ago | parent

> Most of them are slop and it’s hard to find something valuable.

Most of them aren't slop. They're actually quite useful, but I guess the anti-AI cult wants to silence all AI-aided projects in an attempt to point out how "there's no new software being written by AI".

f311a 33 minutes ago | parent

The ones that I have seen were90% slop. Bitcoin in Rust, 10 new agents in Rust. Zero explanations on why a project exists and how it is better.

cosmic_cheese 17 minutes ago | parent

It might be good to define “slop”. My definition is roughly, “was created with little to no human thoughtfulness in its architecture and doesn’t have the faintest hope of being maintained in the long term”. Using that criteria, easily 95%+ of AI-coded projects I’ve encountered are slop.

For me the key thing is that a program that cannot be maintained and improved over time without introducing numerous regressions may as well have not existed, because even those that were useful at one point in time quickly cease to be so due to bugs cropping up from the project being a quivering, duct taped together mass of misery or because it stopped getting updates when the project owner found themselves painted into a corner and broke with an OS update.

Note that I am not a hardline anti-LLM type. I have my reservations, but do make use of them. I do however see a massive difference in quality between knowledgeable devs using them to augment their own abilities and non-devs or newbie devs just telling Claude to bake the whole pie.

rfgplk 10 minutes ago | parent

Are we talking about r/rust in particular? Here are the following projects I've seen that were called "100% AI slop" and "code dumps", all projects were written in pure 100% rust:

- ffmpeg port

- a novel web browser engine

- multiple kernels/os projects

- POSIX shell

- a from scratch crypto implementation library of all commonly (and uncommonly) used crypto primitives

- new VCS that outperformed Git

- git rewritten in rust

- multiple custom new languages written in rust

- new experimental borrow checker

- from scratch new standard library

- countless (genuinely unique) command line tools

easterncalculus 36 minutes ago | parent

The Rust moderators were overreacting. Most of their front page was not slop. Now their front page is blog posts and language details. It used to be a place where you could talk about the language's actual impact.

noodletheworld 40 minutes ago | parent

> Reddit’s shunning of AI has rendered it useless.

Hyperbole much?

This is a direct response to AI slop destroying a community; what’s your solution to the AI spam problem?

afavour 39 minutes ago | parent

I have sympathy for the users of these subs. I imagine you’d want to come to /r/opensource to discuss the code. The whys, the hows. When the answer every time is “because that’s what Claude chose” it’s not going to make for interesting discussions.

brador 31 minutes ago | parent

Anyone can make their own subreddit.

dale_glass 22 minutes ago | parent

Being realistic, a lot of decisions pre-AI work out to "Because that was what was on top of Google search".

Also there doesn't seem that much discussion of code in there.

ryan_n 37 minutes ago | parent

I don't think it's that simple. I don't agree with them banning anything AI related. However, I used to frequent several programming related subereddits that overtime became unbearable because every other post is someone posting an obviously vibe coded horrible slop project. I don't think it's an easy problem to solve on a forum like Reddit.

rafram 29 minutes ago | parent

> X has somehow became the best place to find interesting open-source projects people are building.

This inherently restricts you to projects maintained by people who are willing to wade through a neck-deep cesspool of far-right content, either because they think it’s worth it (Twitter is, alas, still a good source for up-to-the-minute info) or because they agree with it. That’s a small subset of the OSS world. Everyone else has decamped to Bluesky and Mastodon, which are near intolerable in their own special ways.

AlienRobot 26 minutes ago | parent

It's ironic that Reddit started as a place to share links, and then every community banned sharing links.

You can't share your own videos on /r/youtube, your own projects on /r/opensource, etc.

And the weird thing is that normally you would think this would be an overarching strategy by Reddit admins to keep users on site, like Facebook penalizes outbound links, but it's unpaid moderators unconsciously furthering Reddit's agenda.

bigstrat2003 26 minutes ago | parent

If you want to find people's vibe coded projects, you have no shortage of places to do that. You have almost the entire rest of the Internet, have fun. For myself, I don't have any interest in someone's project that they couldn't actually be bothered to make and just handed it off to a clanker. So I'm glad there are communities banning those.

Muhammad523 6 minutes ago | parent

Reddit has never been about AI, so shunning it hasn't made it useless. Reddit's purpose was to allow communication between people, not to talk about AI.

eeko_systems 45 minutes ago | parent

we made a new sub for this

r/opensource_projects would love to have your open source projects shared

dizhn 40 minutes ago | parent

Wonder how they plan to find 3 people who want to code by hand together in a few years.

The best feature of LLMs might be that you can do so much without needing anybody's help. (Or that you don't have to deal with anybody)

augment_me 38 minutes ago | parent

After pondering this for a while, I actually agree with this from the principle of community and socials. I have been in 4-5 open source communities where I met a lot of friends, but since LLMs the communities are flooded with slop PRs, slop projects, and the human interaction in general has fallen dramatically.

In some sense, if everyone can build everything, people's attention becomes the currency. If you are able to hold together an audience by banning automated tools, you might had suboptimal software but you might keep the actual goal.

josteink 27 minutes ago | parent

> If you are able to hold together an audience by banning automated tools, you might had suboptimal software but you might keep the actual goal

If the result of your software project is suboptimal software compared to what others are achieving, what was really the goal you say you get to keep?

If your argument is to hold together, the goal must have been something besides the software.

To be clear, this is fair, but then you cannot claim to primarily have been working on a software project, but something else.

JodieBenitez 37 minutes ago | parent

And that's how you kill a subreddit.

preommr 37 minutes ago | parent

We essentially need a human interface for llm-based projects

Some simple rules that would work better:

- Projects should have someone that understands the overall project at a systems level

- If you link to a github, or code project, it can't be ai-written, it has to be a clear README, maybe with some code examples. But, it can call the other project that has AI generated stuff.

_pdp_ 34 minutes ago | parent

The latest frontier models no longer produce slop. The code is pretty good in general - better in fact in many situations compared what a human might have produced with limited time, resources and experience.

The argument against AI-assisted programming just doesn't hold anymore.

legobmw99 32 minutes ago | parent

If you read the post, the argument isn’t that AI-made projects are bad, just that they’re uninteresting. It’s similar to the argument I’ve seen people make of “don’t open a AI-written PR, just post your prompt and let me use my own LLM”

_pdp_ 9 minutes ago | parent

All interesting projects that I have seen in recent times are all done with AI.

pythonaut_16 26 minutes ago | parent

That’s not my experience. The frontier models produce ok code that works but it’s still very sloppy. Further evidence is that the number of massive PRs is increasing not decreasing, i.e. the LLMs are brute forcing changes rather than introducing quality code patterns.

_pdp_ 5 minutes ago | parent

This is not a good metric IMHO. I would expect new projects to have bigger changes initially as they try to find a suitable architecture. That is not slop. This is no different than rewriting a project 2-3 times pre-AI to find out what sticks and how to organise it better.

bigstrat2003 21 minutes ago | parent

I've been hearing that for years. It's no more true today than it was then.

_pdp_ 4 minutes ago | parent

3 years ago the best model was GPT-3.5 Turbo with 16,385 tokens context window.

AmazingTurtle 34 minutes ago | parent

seems like those subs are asking to become the new stackoverflow of reddit

drbscl 33 minutes ago | parent

I understand not wanting slop but banning solo projects and AI augmented projects is just a typical Reddit moderation power trip

josteink 31 minutes ago | parent

I guess in some parts of the FOSS movement, predominantly in the left-wing politicised (“woke”) parts, there is a hard anti-AI wave flooding through these days.

They consider AI to capitalist, fascist and whatever is their current slur for things they don’t like.

On the other end of the moment, the non-political side of the movement, people seem to think AI is just another tool. Some absolutely love it. Others don’t care.

Both of these are thriving in their own ways because they are not instilling confrontation and restriction on whatever is being made. They focus on output, and not the politics of creating it.

Over time I’m pretty sure which side is gonna come out of this with most successful projects and the most healthy communities.

dw_arthur 29 minutes ago | parent

Sorry folks, gatekeeping is coming back. In a world where AI can produce infinite software and infinite "content" there have to be stricter rules to participate in a community.

iloveoof 24 minutes ago | parent

From the reaction to this post here and on Reddit, I know this is not the majority opinion in the open source community. Still, I'm confused by the thinking behind policies like this, where it's not a practical problem of AI code creating too much low-quality work to review, but the outright opposition to LLM assisted coding in general.

My understanding has always been that the goal of open source software is to make software more free and to be able to make higher-quality, more ambitious software. With LLMs making it easier than ever to modify, study and read software, and independent developers able to work on more ambitious projects, I would expect open source advocates to view LLMs as strongly congruent with the free software movement. Instead, this post stresses the incongruency of open source software with AI-assisted coding on grounds of human-centeredness and the "cheapness" of tokens. What does human-centeredness have to do with open source software? Isn't the cheapness of tokens directly aligned with the goals of open source software of making it easier and cheaper to create software? I just don't get it.

undersuit 18 minutes ago | parent

A 1 hour old post on a Sunday morning is not conclusive for anything.

2Gkashmiri 20 minutes ago | parent

I'm an open source contributor.

The mod is overreacting. By this logic, Linux kernel is banned on the sub...

This is ridiculous and it would be reverted. I'm sure of it. They can't have this long term

Aurornis 16 minutes ago | parent

Every subreddit eventually has a collapse of quality due to popularity. As the activity of a subreddit grows it becomes too attractive to those who want eyeballs, clicks, responses, traffic, or attention.

All of my interesting and helpful subreddits became unusable over time as the low effort posts took over. Every one of my hobby subreddits that became popular is now 90% or more posts that fit 3 categories:

1. Questions about getting started in the hobby. The same asks about what to buy or requesting feedback on something they’re thinking about buying. The subreddit can have a perfect wiki and up to date buying guide posts, but it will still get 5 posts per day from people who want personalized advice.

2. Posts from people who acquired something new and want to show it off. They’re excited for their new 3D printer or skis or other hobby acquisition so they post a photo. I know the subreddit is cooked when these posts start getting upvotes and taking spots in the feed. This is the sign that the low effort beginner posts are becoming the central content of the subreddit.

3. People posting every small achievement and looking for praise. I get it. It’s fun to share little progress with a community and feel excitement when sharing it with others. Feeling like you’ve made it with a group of other beginners is fun. There really should be a place for this, but once it takes over the subreddit it becomes uninteresting to see the same beginner posts day after day so the experience commenters leave.

The availability of LLMs has caused an explosion of #2 and #3 type posts for any software related subreddit. Starting late last year every subreddit with a software component become flooded with posts about something someone had cooked up with Claude Code. Some of them might be interesting but most were quickly abandoned. Many of them didn’t even work at all.

LLMs made it easy to feel like you’re joining the club. Spend $20 of a subscription and tell Claude what you want and you now have something to post and collect praise for.

The absolute worst are the posts where all the content is also generated by Claude. Even the OP’s comments are Claude written for many of these. You can click on their profile and see their comment history is written in one style for everything else, but suddenly they’re posting capitalized sentences and Claude-style prose paragraphs in this one subreddit. Then you realize you’re entirely viewing the output of a robot, which someone is putting forth as their own work.

It’s just not interesting. It’s not even fun for the #3 feature because the person copying LLM output into the subreddit is not interested in anything about the community other than taking praise and upvotes from it. They aren’t participating in other threads or encouraging others. They are there to promote their project, extract traffic, praise, and upvotes, and go back to prompting Claude.

I don’t know if banning solo projects or projects using LLMs is going to lead to a quality outcome, because those two measures aren’t specific for the slop that people hate. I do understand why they feel the need to do something, though.

chung8123 14 minutes ago | parent

I think AI and open source go hand in hand. Open source can make AI so powerful and in return AI can bring to open source so many projects that were likely not possible before or are now considered "low value" because AI could replicate it so it makes more sense just to open source the project.

Gualdrapo 3 minutes ago | parent

fwiw c/opensource@lemmy.ml is also discussing banning them.

https://lemmy.ml/post/54271214

https://lemmy.ml/post/53021594