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67 points kripy 2 hours ago 33 comments

danpalmer 1 hour ago | parent

Nearly 10 years in to foldables, and they still bring so many caveats. They are consistently worse for size, weight, shape, cameras, battery, robustness, and longevity. I don't think I'd ever recommend one.

On the other hand, the advantages are... an iPad like experience sometimes? Or a smaller phone for the flip form factor? The flip form factor certainly does not pay off. I'm honestly not sure who the trade-offs pay off for.

MatekCopatek 1 hour ago | parent

18-20 million foldable phones were sold in 2025. About 10 million PS5 consoles were sold in that same period. So there's definitely a bit of interest.

Why does it have to be an all-or-nothing fight for the final smartphone form? Can't it just be a semi-niche product that some people buy?

radpanda 1 hour ago | parent

> Can't it just be a semi-niche product that some people buy?

As a fan of smaller smartphones (the likes of which aren’t made anymore), I thought the answer to this was supposedly a resounding no.

I mean, Apple sold millions of iPhones mini but we were told that wasn’t a viable product.

cr125rider 1 hour ago | parent

Some countries, like China, LOVE foldable phones. It’s fun to see how cultural it is.

Gigachad 59 minutes ago | parent

From what I've gathered, China is much more in to mobile gaming and livestreaming than the rest of the world. Folding phones seem to appeal to those who primarily consume media on their phones, so it checks out they would want larger phones.

danpalmer 43 minutes ago | parent

I suspect this might be my blindspot. I use my phone a huge amount, but almost never for watching video or gaming. Being able to have a "full screen" video, and another app running "full screen", with the effectively 2x screen space, makes sense.

danpalmer 50 minutes ago | parent

I don't think this is a fair comparison, they are different markets – most people need a smartphone today, nobody really needs a PS5. A better comparison is to say that of smartphones sold in 2025 (~1.65bn), foldables represented ~1%. That's pretty niche.

CharlesW 29 minutes ago | parent

That’s pre-Apple’s entry into the market, which will triple the size of the foldables market in the next 12-18 months. And cnsidering how bad foldables have been and how much better they’ll get, that’s surely not the ceiling.

asah 1 hour ago | parent

??? everyone I know who's gone fold hasn't gone back.

yes, battery & camera are a generation back and water/dustproof is even worse.

but productivity and fun are off the charts: slab phones feel pathetic once you've got a fold. Communication apps show you the list of conversations as well as the current one - or the current one and the details/multimedia. Google Maps shows the map and the listing details/reviews. Games and multimedia are delightful. Photos are full sized, and you can see what you're shooting in detail - if you shoot with a digital camera, remote shooting is amazing because there's enough space to show detailed focus.

Grombobulous 6 minutes ago | parent

Not to start an endless device debate but a good chunk of these use cases make more sense to do on an iPad or to just have a separate device in general.

I know, I know, that’s not as portable, that’s not a device you have with you all the time like a phone.

But how inconvenient is an iPad or iPad mini, really?

Then you just cut off all the downsides of the foldable devices, and you add the upside of a separate device, separate battery. Two people can’t use an iPhone Duo at the same time, but two people can use an iPad and an iPhone at the same time.

Like for gaming I’d just immediately say I’d rather have an Android handheld as a gaming device with dedicated gaming controls.

For digital camera shooting the obvious answer is an iPad for remote shooting. Why stop at the Duo’s smaller matte screen when an iPad Pro would be so much better for a hobbyist photographer? That screen blows the Duo out of the water and you can literally afford an iPad Pro and an iPhone for the same price.

And which is going to inconvenience me more: having to tap on Maps listings for reviews or my phone not having FaceID?

thewhitetulip 1 hour ago | parent

For flip phones the payoff is that its small.

We've been asking for a small phone for so long now

And then now we have one. But its too costly. I'm waiting for the cost to come down

For foldable phones the factor is that you have a phone and a small tab all in one.

danpalmer 48 minutes ago | parent

I had a flip phone and I got it for this reason, but it honestly just sucked. The outer screens are too small to be useful, or in the case of Samsung, just don't have the right feature set to be useful. That means the phone ends up just being a full size smartphone with more steps to be able to use it.

Grombobulous 21 minutes ago | parent

They’re good for women’s jeans.

It’s not about the steps to be able to use it, it’s about fitting in your pocket.

Everyone I have ever met with the new Motorola Razr product lineup owns that phone so it fits in women’s jeans pockets.

dansquizsoft 15 minutes ago | parent

Samsung, lol

wahnfrieden 53 minutes ago | parent

Huge screen that's pocketable and also your primary device (not a 2nd device you need to choose to carry in addition to your phone, and have a bag for) and ability to have 2 apps at once on iOS is in fact highly valuable for many.

larme 44 minutes ago | parent

A foldable phone + split keyboards = a mini laptop fit inside your pouch

Grombobulous 5 minutes ago | parent

Well, besides the software, which is very much not laptop-like.

I think the main thing is that for this kind of money you have a lot of options. You could even buy a GPD device that is an actual full blown pouch sized laptop and buy a regular iPhone for the same price.

bilalq 32 minutes ago | parent

I love my Pixel 10 Fold and can't imagine ever going back to a non-foldable now. The larger screen is great for productivity. Reviewing PRs on the larger screen is way more comfortable than a normal phone size. The built-in terminal app also works nicely with herdr and Tailscale to let me connect to my work machine. I can interact with my agents and get real work done on the go. I also have saved split views so I can quickly launch two apps side-by-side. I do mobile app development, so being able to have the app I'm developing open side by side with Slack or Linear to create issues or discuss with people is very convenient.

I don't know if terminal access is as easy on iPhones, but the utility is there for many work related use-cases. I do think the more square-like form factor of the Pixel to be better for productivity than the rectangular form of the Duo, but the latter is nicer for videos.

dansquizsoft 17 minutes ago | parent

Yeah don't listen to the original commenter, I absolutely love my foldable too.

jayd16 19 minutes ago | parent

Phones have gotten bigger and bigger and yet you can't fathom folks want a big screen?

monegator 1 hour ago | parent

I wish they'd go back to text and images for the teardowns.

dansquizsoft 14 minutes ago | parent

I, too, preferred the internet when it was just text!

ChrisArchitect 1 hour ago | parent

The first broken iPhone Duos are here

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50223580

The iPhone Duo

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50189055

lorenzohess 1 hour ago | parent

> This is the most repairable foldable we've ever taken apart. But that's not saying much.

ChaseRensberger 1 hour ago | parent

ive been really enjoying my iPhone duo so far, its hard to imagine going back to a normal phone. it makes it so much more fun to schedule appointments, read blog posts, vibe code, update my calendar before a trip, watch movies, etc...

tim-projects 58 minutes ago | parent

I have the same experience with 2 phones. Can't imagine having one phone anymore. No risk of screen damage either..

wahnfrieden 50 minutes ago | parent

Try phone + foldable

benbojangles 58 minutes ago | parent

I noticed a race among social media to teardown or literally tear down the iphone duo this time. Bendgate is always a classic one to do for views, scratchgate is another one content makers love as they can wear an expensive watch while they carve shapes into their expensive purchase while poor people from around the world clutch pearls. The folding design is a great opportunity for content makers to target for views, but my question is why the content makers never invent something, design it, market it, pay large amounts for iso safety testing certification, then make teardown content on what they created a la banksy love is in the bin

AlotOfReading 20 minutes ago | parent

I'm sure the 5T multinational corporation is glad you're defending it against the small-time content creators bullying it, but you might notice that the people behind this teardown do in fact sell products they've designed. So do other popular creators in the teardown category like jerryrigeverything.

They can't do teardowns of their own products though. Anything interesting they'd find in a teardown should have been caught at the design stage, and they're hardly unbiased about their own products. At most they can do design decision videos, which many do. For opinionated testing they'll send their products to another creator instead.

benbojangles 5 minutes ago | parent

Why does it matter if its 5 or 5T? The teardown or tear down is what is important. I invented something a few years in my backyard workshop while on welfare and it got tore down which made me realise something odd is going on

anonymous908213 18 minutes ago | parent

Spending thousands of dollars on hardware I don't own is not for me, but foldable touchscreen phones are, objectively, pretty freaking cool pieces of engineering work. Very cool breakdown of the hardware.

solyin 13 minutes ago | parent

Maybe 2027 will be the year of the Linux desktop (thanks to AI), but meanwhile, I 'll just pay the $100/yr Apple tax to run my code on my device, and get on with my life.

DANmode 10 minutes ago | parent

Webapps were always the way.