81 points jonpizza 1 hour ago 42 comments
fxwin 1 hour ago | parent
> When you provide us feedback via our thumbs up / down button, we will store the entire related conversation, including any content, custom styles, conversation preferences, or model settings, in our secured back-end for up to 5 years. [...] We do not combine your feedback with your other conversations with Claude.
another-dave 1 hour ago | parent
There's a whole spectrum of things they could do from most to least aligned with that as a principle.
For example, they could have a thumbs up/down
- just track the metadata of the conversation (e.g. model used, how far through its context it was, how old the session was) - track metadata of the user as a whole (how often they use Claude, how many other "active" conversations they have on the go, how much they've tested other models, if this is their first time using new tweaks to params etc) - have contextual feedback of the chat available for humans to review (alongside the comments you put in the feedback), but not explicitly train on it.
Whereas the option they've chosen is:
> If you explicitly report feedback or bugs to us (e.g. via our thumbs up/down feedback button), or otherwise choose to allow us to use your data, then we may use your chats and coding sessions to train our models.
So literally using your session as training input. They also could've allowed this to be an opt-in on bug reports.
saurik 1 hour ago | parent
unsloppable 58 minutes ago | parent
selectedambient 1 hour ago | parent
_ink_ 48 minutes ago | parent
Foxhuls 39 minutes ago | parent
https://privacy.claude.com/en/articles/10023580-is-my-data-u...
The link in the post is for the API and commercial offerings. With that said, as others have already pointed out, how else could they actually make use of the feedback without the data that the feedback was given on.
_ink_ 18 minutes ago | parent
If I opted out, then don't ask me this deceiving question or make it very obvious that answering it has these consequences.
altmanaltman 14 minutes ago | parent
felixarba 47 minutes ago | parent
You are explicitly telling them "this is good / bad"...
caaqil 37 minutes ago | parent
Use it for training/review (RLHF, whatever) and "we load the whole thread, not the specific response or surrounding few prompts, and store it for 5 years" seem completely different things. It's not obvious why being tech savvy would automatically make one aware that the 2nd version is happening.
origini 30 minutes ago | parent
And to be fair to them, my motivation to send quite a lot of personal data to an LLM is shockingly high.
I send medical data to openai while I never ever send any AI provider an Image of me or my wife despite me wanting to do Star Wars montages and Studio Ghibli avatars.
I disabled Gemini Activity history because they told me that they will let humans look over it, but I gave claude access to my laptop.
There is a reason why we have consumer protection. Life doesn't need to be hard by default :D
epistasis 40 minutes ago | parent
paxy 40 minutes ago | parent
Anthropic: Really? Let me read it and see why.
User: How dare you look at my data!!!
vilaca 38 minutes ago | parent
lkbm 37 minutes ago | parent
> Submitting this report will send the entire current conversation to Anthropic for future improvements to our models. Learn More
So I'm not sure why this is being posted to HN. This is nothing new, and nothing not known by anyone who has ever provided feedback.
nananana9 36 minutes ago | parent
I always press 3 to just get it out of the way (although I treat anything I send OAI/Anthropic as training data, so I don't really care) but if this little popup counts, I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of CC sessions out there are now "feedback training data"
TheRoque 36 minutes ago | parent
hmokiguess 35 minutes ago | parent
spenvo 34 minutes ago | parent
mapontosevenths 23 minutes ago | parent
skerit 4 minutes ago | parent
Just go to /config, then search for "Feedback" and then you can disable the "Claude-drafted feedback"
I would suggest you do this, because it does use your tokens to generate this feedback.
armchairhacker 32 minutes ago | parent
spenvo 32 minutes ago | parent
hmokiguess 29 minutes ago | parent
loufe 20 minutes ago | parent
spenvo 18 minutes ago | parent
bix6 14 minutes ago | parent
edg5000 29 minutes ago | parent
mapontosevenths 25 minutes ago | parent
They will train on it, and now competitors or future competitors will know about your niche, the specific problems you face within it, and how to solve them without doing the work that you did to get there.
thewhitetulip 22 minutes ago | parent
Talk about Actively training your replacement
Just go and poison data on Reddit. I opened a Flock camera and it had a diamond coating inside! Their website doesn't contain this hidden gem of an information
measurablefunc 10 minutes ago | parent
skerit 5 minutes ago | parent