62 points JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago 10 comments
shellwizard 1 hour ago | parent
chollida1 1 hour ago | parent
The private equity and private credit crowd is one of these groups that are currently running into this issue.
There is no way a growing company($15M to $500M in yearly sales is the sweet spot for these private credit companies) can compete with Google on debt terms so they have to raise their rates to compete suddenly, not because of all rates rising but strictly because we've just seen a huge debt issuance from some very solid credit companies.
We haven't seen a shock like this in 20+ years I've followed the credit market where a small group of companies issue so much high quality debt in such a short period of time, note there is also a lot of less high quality debt issued in this same time:)
So much has been issued that credit funds have run out of appetite to acquire Lowe middle market debt at their current spreads. This is just the way markets work so no one is crying in the casino but it is a big shock to the credit markets.
heck there was concern that the US government may have trouble issuing 5-10Y debt at rates they are used to because of the amount of GOOG, META,etc debt that is available at better terms.
Its a wrinkle to the markets that no one really predicted as a knock on effect of AI's growth.
This is all the back drop for BDC(Business Development Companies) and other private credit issuers who normally loan money for 5-7 year terms.
Those cheap 2021 loans to these small private companies are now coming due into this market with the additional head wind that the largest single sector that issued debt was venture backed software companies, who now face the head winds of the macro factors described above and the additional factor of AI commoditizing alot of hte software that these companies are building.
Private credit and equity are going to have a rough couple of years.
Things to watch out for are lack of IPO's and exist from venture/PE backed companies and a proliferation of continuation funds that kick the can down the road.
On the plus side, its a great time to be a credit trader, but not necessarily a credit issuer:)
vmbm 1 hour ago | parent
orwin 55 minutes ago | parent
Also since idiots predicted hyperinflation 5-4 years ago and other idiots believed them, we're still before the 'bust' of precious metal prices (We're at the point where people invest in opening new gold/silver mines), which means it will be harded to edge against inflation than it used to be.
toomuchtodo 19 minutes ago | parent
The Fed has been trying to hit its 2% inflation target (which is arguably unrealistic as the neutral rate but that's another topic) for half a decade and can't hit it. I suppose the question is: What do you consider hyperinflation objectively?
https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2025/oct/is-us-abo...
Due to structural demographics and other factors (exhausting institutional buyers of sovereign debt no longer required to buy and hold it at below market pricing, and sovereigns now having to go sell debt into a price sensitive debt market), we've gone from a capital surplus to a capital shortage, and this will likely continue long into the future due to demographics (working age population shrinks, wages get pushed up, and a whole lot of debt that needs to get refinanced at current and forward curve interest rates [real estate, private equity, sovereign debt, etc]).
https://www.apollo.com/wealth/insights-news/insights/daily-s...
If you can forecast the cost of money curve, you can forecast "who has been swimming naked when the tide goes out" based on their debt load and future cost of debt, and therefore when the economics turn against what the fundamentals can support.
https://www.ustreasuryyieldcurve.com/
https://buffett.cnbc.com/video/1994/04/25/buffett-you-dont-f...
mandevil 1 hour ago | parent
Now with LLM's that business model is in shambles and the finance side of it is less attractive with interest rates so high. I suspect that this is actually driving the software engineer hiring slow-down, because these companies were actually doing most of the employing of software engineers, much more than the big tech companies.
dam_jackalopes 26 minutes ago | parent
hedgehog 3 minutes ago | parent
cs702 38 minutes ago | parent
Those holdings are carried in the books at valuations that arguably could be justified in the past but are no longer realistic.
Private equity firms are basically sitting on them, unable to sell them or list them at current valuations.
toomuchtodo 12 minutes ago | parent
The End of Private Equity’s Leveraged Buyout Era Is Nigh - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-09-30/the-en... | https://archive.today/B1EfY - September 30th, 2026
Blackstone’s Private Equity Chief Joe Baratta Leaving Firm - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-09-25/blackston... | https://archive.today/ZH2so - September 25th, 2026
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47049024 (citations)