238 points acossta 1 hour ago 123 comments
rvz 1 hour ago | parent
So, Stadia + World Models = New generation of DRM for games.
verdverm 1 hour ago | parent
Ai generated games suck even more, no skill; no taste, there is no TLC put into them
Then there is the economics of it, cost prohibitive to (re)generate a scene and ship that over internet pipes
ZiiS 1 hour ago | parent
verdverm 1 hour ago | parent
https://www.denofgeek.com/games/why-google-stadia-failed-shu...
ZiiS 58 minutes ago | parent
verdverm 55 minutes ago | parent
> beforehand...
is about the craze, the ChatGPT moment and beyond, when GPUs demand went exponential, not when various types of Ai algorithms were available
ZiiS 16 minutes ago | parent
verdverm 5 minutes ago | parent
... history is helpful ... google didn't understand gamers
ActionHank 1 hour ago | parent
The latency was no good even on fast internet for even slow games. It is and was pointless.
Matl 32 minutes ago | parent
That made no sense and wasn't a viable business model.
causal 1 hour ago | parent
pixl97 1 hour ago | parent
There are so many options for games now that just sticking with the biggest AAA companies seems like a waste.
MattDaEskimo 1 hour ago | parent
qup 1 hour ago | parent
We'll be riding the huge wave of indie titles that are incoming.
verdverm 59 minutes ago | parent
The problem will be separating the wheat (people with good stories and concepts enabled by Ai) from the chaff (people with no taste slopping out trash with Ai)
well_ackshually 1 hour ago | parent
Also, lmao, they're already trying to nickel and dime you and sell you microtransactions that took 5 minutes to make for 10 bucks. If you think they're going to pay the costs for running a world model for every single person, lol.
ActionHank 1 hour ago | parent
Do you have even the slightest idea of the level of expectation that even the most casual gamer has?
This isn’t achieving much beyond prototyping. They’re burning so much money for no reason.
paxy 1 hour ago | parent
sodacanner 1 hour ago | parent
doctorpangloss 1 hour ago | parent
mlmonkey 1 hour ago | parent
NitpickLawyer 59 minutes ago | parent
One possible use for these is to facilitate lab -> this -> real world for robot models. Basically better than lab / algorithmically designed environments and cheaper / easier to train on than real life. Something that "looks" like real life and can scale, to apply RL for robotics to.
doctorpangloss 28 minutes ago | parent
Anyway, let's take your theory to its logical conclusion: the product development between real and simulated soft tissue behavior is much bigger than Exponential Time being a hypothesis and being proven. There isn't some effective acceleraltruist path here. Dario Amodei was a biotech dropout. The thing you are betting on which Google is not doing anyway, maybe they will destroy the descriptive single cell sequencing paper mill, but they're not going to be able to simulate the fat inside a BMI 30 abuela undergoing a gallbladder removal.
empath75 56 minutes ago | parent
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paimapi 46 minutes ago | parent
It's a dystopian business use case that I hope will get obliterated in the near future as the generations that believe in this stuff and are fascinated by it age out of the population.
maybeOneDay 51 minutes ago | parent
Zambyte 1 hour ago | parent
> Genie form [sic] can simulate scenarios
It's kind of amazing: the juxtaposition of such advanced generative AI and such terrible speech-to-text coming from the same parent company.
fwip 1 hour ago | parent
> Genie 4 is natively multimodal, enabling audio-like music, ambient noises, and interactive dialogue to be simultaneously generated with the world.
(Emphasis mine). Like, yeah, I'd sure hope the music is similar to audio.
I wonder if this was a de-LLMese pass gone wrong, and the original was "enabling audio -- like music, ambient noises, and interactive dialogue -- to be simultaneously generated with the world.
phoghed 1 hour ago | parent
rustyhancock 1 hour ago | parent
It's why if you search a practical task you will often see results link to specific parts of a video.
Zambyte 28 minutes ago | parent
panarky 27 minutes ago | parent
TGower 1 hour ago | parent
wolttam 1 hour ago | parent
Real nice prompting there, Google. It also still looks like a video game rendering.
slashtrends 1 hour ago | parent
pdntspa 1 hour ago | parent
inshard 1 hour ago | parent
ytxm 1 hour ago | parent
The painting->interactive scene looks astonishing though
mlmonkey 1 hour ago | parent
spwa4 23 minutes ago | parent
And why not? Because the first model that can actually learn to handle the simulation not only can do the simulation internally too, but it can do it better than out simulation.
It's where (ex-)"AI luminaries" go to die. It's a way to make glacial, slow progress in the correct direction while never actually getting anywhere.
So we get to a point and people keep making complicated simulations of one kind or another ... and then someone (some model) who's never used the simulation, and doesn't need it for model training gets by far the highest score on every benchmark and everyone agrees the simulation was kind of beside the point.
dsissitka 16 minutes ago | parent
233mhz 59 minutes ago | parent
zardo 56 minutes ago | parent
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BatFastard 51 minutes ago | parent
Question I have is when will they be able to render something more then 30 seconds.
And how much will it cost? There has to be a HUGE amount of computing power behind this. As a video game developer I live in fear and anticipation.
smusamashah 49 minutes ago | parent
ksec 34 minutes ago | parent
OkayPhysicist 13 minutes ago | parent
Definitely wouldn't have been one of my picks to show off my fancy new model.
hxugufjfjf 4 minutes ago | parent
pacman1337 49 minutes ago | parent
HughParry 48 minutes ago | parent
Would be fun to muck around with world models. Are there any that I can try for under £200 p/m without being part of a special project?
runtime_terror 48 minutes ago | parent
speerer 40 minutes ago | parent
I suspect you're reading the base prompt, but the video also demonstrates adding further prompts to change what is happening as the scene progresses.
andoando 2 minutes ago | parent
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estearum 29 minutes ago | parent
alex_sf 27 minutes ago | parent
lukan 23 minutes ago | parent
I-M-S 27 minutes ago | parent
dack 26 minutes ago | parent
sure, it's still a cool accomplishment but i can understand being a little bit frustrated / not as excited for such an announcement.
estearum 13 minutes ago | parent
Whining that I, a random Internet user with limited budget, usecases that the researchers don't care about, and no connection to the researchers, don't get technical details (??) or access (??) on day one is just profoundly goofy shit.
Obviously being able to use these things right away would be more exciting. But to be unable to get excited by advancements we can't immediately use is... quite entitled.
dotancohen 3 minutes ago | parent
echelon 26 minutes ago | parent
Only open weights matter.
We should distill everything else we can into open weights.
These are exciting for robotics and industrial perhaps, but they have no consumer use case until the lid is blown off and consumers can do whatever they want with them.
So much societal progress is behind held up because the leading labs want to keep a stranglehold on the tech. Imagine if every PhD or hacker had access to the raw weights.
estearum 19 minutes ago | parent
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peri-cl 26 minutes ago | parent
I feel refusal'd just *looking* at this page.
spiderice 3 minutes ago | parent
viccis 45 minutes ago | parent
varispeed 45 minutes ago | parent
If these are the cause of why I have to pay 2-4x I used to for a computer, then Google should go fuck themselves.
mike_hearn 44 minutes ago | parent
An LLM generates four alternative prompts for what could happen next and there's a real time vote running for each option. It's trippy, like watching someone's dream.
vatsachak 42 minutes ago | parent
The only place I see this applicable is for visual artists prototyping
ajs1998 38 minutes ago | parent
throw310822 36 minutes ago | parent
Jtarii 18 minutes ago | parent
Video games are interesting because of very specific constraints the developers impose on the player.
throw310822 3 minutes ago | parent
delichon 42 minutes ago | parent
dsizzle 31 minutes ago | parent
recursive 23 minutes ago | parent
phailhaus 14 minutes ago | parent
jawns 6 minutes ago | parent
Is it feasible? What Dyson sphere level of power would be needed to maintain such a simulation? Is that level of energy available to whomever is running the simulation?
Is there a positive ROI? What does this advanced civilization get out of running such an expensive simulation?
Is it moral? The simulation involves sentient creatures who are capable of deeply contemplating their own existence, capable of feeling rapturous pleasure and indescribable pain and loss, and ostensibly capable of making moral choices that range from heroic to depraved. Doesn't there come a point where the beings in a simulation are so close to the beings in "base reality" that the same moral principles apply? If you press a button that kicks off a simulation where humans can torture and murder each other, behaving essentially identically to humans in "base reality," aren't you in some sense facilitating those deaths?
hxugufjfjf 2 minutes ago | parent
ajs1998 41 minutes ago | parent
gradascent 35 minutes ago | parent
What on Earth is audio-like music? Do they mean music-like audio?
mailarchis 34 minutes ago | parent
thenthenthen 33 minutes ago | parent
vitorfblima 33 minutes ago | parent
LoganDark 31 minutes ago | parent
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oldfuture 34 minutes ago | parent
germanjoey 34 minutes ago | parent
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ckocagil 5 minutes ago | parent
Every time I'm about to be excited about AI the cynic in me slaps me back to reality. I imagine the endless possibilities of AI for disabled people, then realize that it's going to leave millions of people disabled instead.
ddtaylor 32 minutes ago | parent
daniel31x13 32 minutes ago | parent
> movies are going to become video games and video games are going to become something unimaginably better
Sometimes I really wanna skip 10 years into the future and see where all this eventually leads.
sottol 28 minutes ago | parent
Sounds glib, but honestly ... more Ads :/
Jtarii 25 minutes ago | parent
This is the kind of detached from reality, devoid of humanity statement only a tech bro could come up with.
phailhaus 16 minutes ago | parent
spwa4 17 minutes ago | parent
Instead of better it's become unimaginably worse since games can no longer serve as a means of self expression because the second you express anything worthwhile 100 people copy it immediately ... without you. It's like Disney (whose whole business model is copying public domain stories and music and ... but taking out the source and everyone who ever had anything to do with it). Except there's no longer one highly selective company destroying the world's culture one piece at a time, but 10000000 idiots looking to make a quick buck, destroying culture and self-expression like a fire raging in the rainforest.
0c3ca83 4 minutes ago | parent
Sounds wonderful. May as well skip this and just spend my life hooked up to an IV drip of drugs.
spiderice 1 minute ago | parent
jeffbee 27 minutes ago | parent
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yipinwong 14 minutes ago | parent
I am more interested in how to make consistent "participants" and "environment" with multiple clips so they look like one longer clip.
Will that require same dev/coding harness and spec-kit-like engineering flow?
Like create a spec on how a movie will look like, feed contexts, create tasks so that multiple clips look congruent?
lifeisloving 5 minutes ago | parent