32 points shcallaway 1 day ago 29 comments

hmokiguess 57 minutes ago | parent

Unrelated but while scrolling, when I scrolled up, the asterisk thingy appeared on the top right corner and I thought it was a spider or some glitch and had a mini freakout before realizing it was the actual branding

teddyh 41 minutes ago | parent

Like those paper cutouts of lizards that people put on walls in order to fascinate cats.

hmokiguess 34 minutes ago | parent

Thank you for this idea, my cats are in for a treat today.

bondarchuk 56 minutes ago | parent

Sort of a recap for normies of Scott Alexander's Whither Tartaria from 2021: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/whither-tartaria

It is also interesting to read about the Amsterdamse School, an early 1900's style with "mass appeal" of which you can see many beautiful examples throughout the city, which were also only built thanks to strong support from the political sphere. https://architecture-history.org/schools/AMSTERDAM%20SCHOOL....

ctolsen 42 minutes ago | parent

Sagrada Família is an amazing building. Going inside it is an awesome experience.

But it is a _lot_. Putting aside the artistic skill and construction cost of it, I'm glad I don't live in a city where everything is like that. I feel like it'd be overstimulating much like an analog version of the Las Vegas strip.

Filligree 37 minutes ago | parent

It’s no different from living in a beautiful natural landscape. I can tell you from experience that no, you get used to it.

It would not be a lot. It would fade into the background, except that any time you want to see beauty you just have to look up and focus.

luqtas 30 minutes ago | parent

nature has proven calming effects on humans... bird sings, even plants on the roof of an urban area can have positive effects just because of the vision

i highly doubt a christian church has the same effect. everytime i see a church i think about atrocities commited by the religion and alienation

skinfaxi 28 minutes ago | parent

> i highly doubt a christian church has the same effect. everytime i see a church i think about atrocities commited by the religion and alienation

Maybe not the exact same effect as nature but it is indeed calming to me at least. Stepping into a cathedral, or masjid, or temple and the noise of the world falls away (and I'm not even religious). I'm sure I'm not the only one.

luqtas 19 minutes ago | parent

i'm also not religious and having lived in a remote place for more than a year, i lost count of the amount of times i sat at the grass in a completely meditative state by starring at clouds, mountains and sunsets

tocs3 23 minutes ago | parent

everytime i see a church i think about atrocities commited

Not to downplay atrocities committed in the name of Christianity but I am pretty sure every large ideology has its share of of atrocities.

luqtas 13 minutes ago | parent

yes but when you have it talking basically exclusively about "love", it's much harder to swallow

rad_val 34 minutes ago | parent

The level of detail can vary while keeping the idea intact. You wouldn't be more overwhelmed than when you walk down on any european old city centers.

skinfaxi 30 minutes ago | parent

Compare Sagrada Familia to Times Square.

loloquwowndueo 24 minutes ago | parent

Did you visit other Gaudí buildings? La pedrera is open for visiting and a very nice apartment building. I wouldn’t mind a city where most buildings are like that.

Sagrada Família is very purposefully a total exaggeration but so are most large churches when viewed as part of their surrounding context. They’re designed to stand out.

weatherlight 2 minutes ago | parent

I live in Barcelona, it's a very pleasant city (if you can aford to live here), The city has almost 2000 years of history and architecture. It's inhabitants left its mark. Eixample (the Extension) was planned kinda all at once by Cerda and thats why theres an over representation of specific styles of architecture, and why Eixample feels a bit like an open air museum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfN517mqhC8 (Absolutely worth watching if you want to know why Barcelona was planned the way it was.)

If you go to the "Gothic quarter" or to Gracia you won't see much "Art nouveau."

Its a very varied city. I live in a building in the "Modernisme" style and its lovely.

rolisz 35 minutes ago | parent

I'm lucky to live in an Art Nouveau City :) (Oradea, Romania)

hommelix 25 minutes ago | parent

Which area/building would you recommend to see Art Nouveau in Oradea?

rolisz 23 minutes ago | parent

Casa Darvas is a nice museum, with a good coffee shop in the garden.

The Central Square (Piata Unirii) has been renovated nicely and looks very good. The old main street is still in renovation, so it's not so nice now.

fsloth 29 minutes ago | parent

Not mentioned in the article - Helsinki has a large collection of Art Nouveau ("Jugend") buildings, though not quite matching Riga.

https://www.myhelsinki.fi/visit/helsinki-art-nouveau-archite...

"Helsinki is indeed a unique city of Art Nouveau architecture on the global scale, boasting no less than 600 “Jugend” buildings – more even than in Barcelona or Brussels."

Gravityloss 29 minutes ago | parent

I went to Sagrada Familia and then to Mies van Der Rohe Pavilion.

The latter had a bikini fashion shoot ongoing.

Maybe something to do with it. The world and society completely transformed. Mass media, fashion, loss of religiosity, sexual liberation, globalization, social mobility...

vslira 25 minutes ago | parent

I think the part of this post that is a push back at the “trad critique” doesn’t really work: at a point the author basically says that modernism has its hold due to being a (and I’m paraphrasing uncharitably here) cheap and easy shot at architectural respectability, which is not only not a defense of it, but pretty much the point of the “trad critique”

rad_val 25 minutes ago | parent

I think the answer to this question is deeply uncomfortable in 2026.

Softly put, it's discipline, focus and a sense of greater purpose, far above the monetary value of things, fame and fortune.

In other words, exactly what our current, consumer-oriented society lacks. (for better or worse)

cogman10 13 minutes ago | parent

It's not those things, it's money.

You can buy discipline, focus, and a sense of greater purpose. But it ain't cheap and few with the means to do it have the will to want it.

Consider my office. The original drafted designs for it had an airy look, full ceiling, windows connecting the rooms for added light, doors.

Every single one of those things got nixed because it meant $$$ and the people running my company didn't want to foot the bill. So instead what we ended up with is cheap carpet, no ceiling (I can see all the joists and the ductwork), and paper thin cardboard walls which you can hear discussions from across the building. But the conference room where the C Levels commonly meet is fantastically decorated.

brookst 4 minutes ago | parent

I’m curious about “you can buy discipline”. For oneself?

toyg 24 minutes ago | parent

One thing nobody ever mentions, probably because it's not fashionable, is that all these buildings require maintenance after getting built. Maintaining a modernist block, with its flat surfaces and straight lines, is utterly trivial compared to more decorative styles - where you have to constantly fight pigeons and the elements to not appear derelict. Also, it is typically complicated to fix decorative pieces when they break, as they often do.

I do understand and share the view that the current mainstream is utterly boring, but I also acknowledge the (somewhat) irresistible forces that shape it: money, time, effort. And I don't believe AI can do anything to counter them in a significant manner, sadly.

BobBagwill 19 minutes ago | parent

I think contemporary architecture is perfect:

Cheap, soulless, forgettable, replaceable metal and glass rectangular prisms filled with cheap, soulless, forgettable, replaceable workers. Form follows function!

That old architecture implied things like spirit, transcendence, community, beauty. Outmoded concepts for sure!

https://architizer.com/projects/tiktok/

FranzFerdiNaN 56 seconds ago | parent

I love that the site has a banner that says 'the future of architecture is human' and every photo on that page is of corporate soul destroying misery.

recursivedoubts 14 minutes ago | parent

Read from bauhaus to our house, by tom wolfe. In america we had the Arts & Crafts movement (e.g. greene & greene) as a native folk form.

It was all killed because two dynamics came together to push "the yale box": corporate america's love of cheap buildings (although the buildings are cheap to build but often nightmares to maintain and use... somebody else's problem) and the ideological purity spiraling post WW2 driven by the academic environment and the rise of abstract architectural criticism over the practical building arts.

post modernism acknowledged the failure of the yale box but, because going back to traditional building forms was unthinkable (of course), had to do ironic kitsch instead

virtualritz 1 minute ago | parent

I have architect friends. They can't draw, they can't sculpt, they have no clue about art history. Or color theory, if you want to go that far. Usually golden ratio/Fibonacci is kinda where it ends. One of them is a professor of architecture, no less.

That said, I'm sure there are architects today for which some or all of this is not true.

Most of the above are subjects an architect student would have had to learn about and demonstrate profienciency in, to earn their degree, a 100 years ago.

I'm sure the change in architecture's priorities played a role in this too. Industrial materials, construction efficiency. The need to mass produce housing, costs and new social ideals, yadayadayada.

And ofc the modernist rejection of any ornament; even that which is there historically, on existing architecture.

My hope is that in a future where we 3D-print buildings or construct them with robots we will see a renaissance of non-functional[1] beauty/sculpture/texture/color in architecture because the cost difference will be marginal/nonexistend.

But then, architecture is also always a mirror of the period. And from that pov it's not looking so great for beauty making it back any time soon.

[1] Yet functional because how can the happiness/joy of the perceiver of architecture be removed from what should count as functional, in architecture?