104 points alkyon 2 hours ago 64 comments
jjgreen 2 hours ago | parent
... no shit Sherlock
bluebarbet 2 hours ago | parent
emil-lp 36 minutes ago | parent
TFA could have been two sentences:
He warns that AI might cause serious problems: power failures, job losses, and greater social inequality.
He believes AI might improve our lives, but governments must make sure it is safe.
librasteve 1 hour ago | parent
perarneng 1 hour ago | parent
bemtevi 1 hour ago | parent
Seriously? It seems to be causing more problems, giving us more boring work, and less free time.... sounds like absolute bullshit.
_heimdall 1 hour ago | parent
We need to build it as fast as possible because it could cure all disease. Ignore whether that's possible, how it might happen, whether all we're missing to do it is more intelligence, etc.
The only way I see us curing all disease is to throw out all the names we've given to collections of symptoms. What disease? I don't see no disease, you just have a sore throat, runny nose, and mild fever.
bemtevi 1 hour ago | parent
Hell no. We need to risk pumping out even more CO2, causing more environmental disaster, ruining entire human communities, just to cure diseases? You might as well say it's better to be in prison because you're guaranteed three meals a day. The logic of some pro-AI people is baffling.
staminade 1 hour ago | parent
bemtevi 57 minutes ago | parent
The other day I hired an accountant and even he sent me an AI answer that sounded right but was actually bullshit.
In short, it takes a LOT more time just to find some sanity now.
AI is shit.
233mhz 46 minutes ago | parent
Only 14 years old and accelerationists think we can just push the capitalism pedal further and somehow get social changes going their way
bemtevi 44 minutes ago | parent
perarneng 33 minutes ago | parent
bemtevi 22 minutes ago | parent
xnx 1 hour ago | parent
coldtea 29 minutes ago | parent
He would still be right and the field practioners would be wrong.
throwthrowuknow 1 hour ago | parent
ok boomer
bemtevi 1 hour ago | parent
I know this sounds unusual, but I do think this wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen. Sure, it would cause a bit of chaos, but it might also make us think twice about continuing down our current path of unfettered development, and possibly even make us much more cautious, which might in turn even help us with the climate crisis.
Because human beings in a large mass only respond to one thing: immediate difficulty. They don't respond to delayed difficulty like "the climate is getting worse" or "technology will make life more difficult in the distant future". They only respond to immediate pain.
So I think it would be a good thing if the financial system had a serious threat. Then people with money, who tend to offset future problems with technical solutions and financial padding, would start to become much more suspicious of technology and defund AI and wasteful things that are likely to threaten their safety.
_heimdall 1 hour ago | parent
I disagree that something like this would be a good thing though. Whether it's a power outage, financial crisis, or something else people will die. If that's what happens and society ends up adjusting course after then that's what happens, but I can't call people dying a good thing.
bemtevi 1 hour ago | parent
I don't think that's a good thing. But if we DON'T do anything, then even more poeple are likely to suffer. So while people dying is not a good thing, a thousand people dying is better than a million people dying because we don't do anything.
Same thing about burning your hand. It's not a good thing to burn your hand, but burning your hand once when you're young probably saves you from a more serious accident later on.
seviu 1 hour ago | parent
Blockchain despite all its flaws, is the canary in the coal mine. They have been dealing with an increasing amount of cyberattacks. Because it all happens publicly in the blockchain, there is no way to hide it.
However major bank gets hacked in the tune of over 100 millions and we get to know it happened because somebody who has no relationship to the hack turned his eyes to a bunch of suspicious transactions happening on Ethereum.
hoppp 33 minutes ago | parent
Oras 43 minutes ago | parent
bemtevi 34 minutes ago | parent
This is why I think AI is so stupid. It's just too powerful for anyone to control, especially with the inertial mass of capitalistic society powering it through the incremental, short-term advantages it gives.
zombot 2 minutes ago | parent
Nuclear weapons are indiscriminate and make everyone worse off if used. And everybody has them. Your optimism is unfounded.
spwa4 1 hour ago | parent
neonnoodle 1 hour ago | parent
bvan 1 hour ago | parent
lagrange77 35 minutes ago | parent
deadbabe 1 hour ago | parent
jdw64 49 minutes ago | parent
Because a certification has to be fixed at a particular point in time. Korea's certification exams start with the 23 GoF patterns and go on to rote memorization of countless patterns and layered terminology.
The problem is that the way you learn for this certification is the old way, so someone who gets the certification ends up writing legacy code.
But if you always update the questions to the latest, then nobody can pass the certification. So, having seen how the certification system works in East Asia, I don't think it's all that good
harvey9 17 minutes ago | parent
mrweasel 1 hour ago | parent
The carelessness is also clear in how AI is rolled out. It's being presented as a disruptive technology, as is everything else presented by modern tech companies. The goal is a very large payout in a very short period of time, it's not to make anything better, or worse, either is just a side effect.
Had LLMs first been presented as a "better IntelliSense", where rather than auto-completing function names, your editor can now suggest implementations, very few people would have been upset. Same for writing, it's just a better version of Grammarly, it's fine, or as a tool in drawing software. The issue would have been, for the AI bosses, that this takes time and doesn't create trillion dollar companies. It only creates companies that they'd actually have to run, long term, and that's boring.
sneak 45 minutes ago | parent
If it weren’t OAI and Anthropic, it would be others.
If it weren’t US companies, it would be others.
It is far too useful now to stop large scale deployment, it isn’t a matter of specific people or countries not being cautious or prudent enough. The entirety of the Earth is at issue now and there will always be people who cause the tragedy of the commons (if indeed AI turns out to be harmful in the long run, which is not remotely certain).
Look at what happened with fossil fuels. Even if the entire global west totally ceased use, there are many countries that simply will not stop because of local utility. AI is the exact same way.
233mhz 39 minutes ago | parent
There is something deeply rotten about the US mindset though, them being American is definitely a problem.
> Look at what happened with fossil fuels.
The west had a 100 years head start, on top of that these countries are producing everything you consume, don't start pointing fingers. Chinese current co2 per capita is the same as the US in 1900
carlosjobim 2 minutes ago | parent
Releasing artificial intelligence for the use of all of humanity is better than it being controlled by one or more shadow groups. That's what the Americans did, and the Chinese followed in.
Had AI been invented in the 20th century, it would have been kept secret and used only by state actors to facilitate genocides at mass scales. But we live in different times.
bondarchuk 53 minutes ago | parent
emil-lp 41 minutes ago | parent
That's a relatively silly question, don't you think?
bondarchuk 32 minutes ago | parent
injidup 31 minutes ago | parent
jdw64 53 minutes ago | parent
Looking back now, was it really happier before AI existed? I'm not sure. In the past, when I wanted to find out whether I was right or wrong about some piece of knowledge or information, I'd contact several people and, far from getting an answer, I'd often be told not to bother them. But AI, in that respect, is the best teacher I can think of.
I think the times are continuously getting better. It's just that there's a problem of power concentration among the people who handle it. Still, if AI is a tool of that nature, then I suppose that can happen.
But considering what access to knowledge was like before AI came along, I think having AI is better.
gchamonlive 52 minutes ago | parent
sneak 51 minutes ago | parent
No way to tell until after, though. So far, mutually assured destruction is working. It works until it doesn’t.
Same with AI. Thus far we’re better off with it than without it. That may change.
I mean, look what we did with fossil fuels. Some people are even still willingly burning them, even though the data is clear that our use of them has already started the total destruction of our civilization.
Is there a name for this, a technology that is so insanely useful that there is no way we won’t exploit it, but where the worst case scenario is total collapse, and impossible to determine well in advance?
(Fossil fuels I suppose don’t count as even the energy companies knew unambiguously decades ago that large scale use would eventually bake the entire agricultural system out of existence.)
coldtea 26 minutes ago | parent
The reason for that was more that the 3-4 great empires involved in the previous two were exhausted, Japan was defeated, China was in no shape, and US vs USSR had no reason to push for one, since the Cold War era gave them plenty of breathing room, roughly half the world each.
asdfsa32 50 minutes ago | parent
wewewedxfgdf 47 minutes ago | parent
Programming has never been this awesome.
gchamonlive 46 minutes ago | parent
“I think [Mark] Zuckerberg and [Elon] Musk and Sam Altman, they understand the risks, and they don’t give a shit. They’d rather have the money. That’s my belief.”
What's risk for people valued close to or over trillion dollars? Risk is meaningless when corporations get too big to fail.hoppp 39 minutes ago | parent
fc417fc802 30 minutes ago | parent
That's a touching sentiment or whatever but the nature of the thing is that it will inevitably be opened and that it cannot be closed thereafter. So (I think) we'd all be better off putting our efforts towards predicting the likely outcomes and figuring out how to make the best of them.
ftchd 2 minutes ago | parent
dust42 2 minutes ago | parent
If someone manages with the help of AI to hack into a vital system, then the system was already in a critically bad state beforehand. If developers can't use AI to check the code for security flaws, then security gets worse and not better.