114 points rbanffy 1 hour ago 34 comments

theandrewbailey 1 hour ago | parent

Quite a comeback for a company that was not doing well a decade ago (pre-Zen).

sebmellen 1 hour ago | parent

Lisa is a beast!

throwaway_45 58 minutes ago | parent

Also Intel decided to not improve for a long time. They were just happy collecting rent and protecting margin. Only the paranoid survive. Intel used to be a memory company and they pivoted cause Andy grove could see what was coming.

tester756 41 minutes ago | parent

Not really - 10nm node was too ambitious and failed cuz of that.

Tuna-Fish 14 minutes ago | parent

It wasn't just that. Intel could have survived a failed node, or a few of them. Certainly wouldn't be their first.

Krzanich "optimized" the company for profit, by cutting out things he considered to be excess. Including a lot of their irreplaceable validation & verification talent, that AMD instantly snapped up. The lack of validation resources is directly responsible for the failures of many key Intel products during his tenure and later, because major bugs that could have been spotted earlier slipped through, and then resulted in horrible delays and even cancellations. He then spent the surplus of the company on 30 major acquisitions, of which only two were in any reasonable degree successful.

There are CEOs who have destroyed more value than Krzanich, but not many.

close04 55 minutes ago | parent

AMD benefited greatly from Intel's self inflicted wound: laying on their laurels thinking the leverage they had with OEMs and inertia will carry them through the hard patch like it did in their P4 times.

Intel stopped advancing in 2014-2015 for a long time. They flopped on the fabrication side, they stuck to the 2-4 core CPUs and charged an arm and a leg for anything with more than that. This gave AMD an opening with their cheap and yet still decently fast higher core count CPUs.

emuljetina 48 minutes ago | parent

AMD was held back by their fabs, breaking off from global foundries did so much from them too

chrisgarand 43 minutes ago | parent

Also, they spent a long time suppressing AMD by bribing, and strong-arming their partners during the first cycle of AMD beating Intel (Athlon series): https://www.eetimes.com/intel-accepts-order-to-stop-unfair-t... Later on: https://www.rbbecon.com/news/article/commission-imposes-e106...

close04 8 minutes ago | parent

That’s the leverage I was mentioning. That’s what worked for them in Pentium days and thought will just work again. It helped a lot that AMD had a compelling product to sell.

lawabider 1 hour ago | parent

I have avoided Intel products since the time some law enforcement forensic team used DCILeech to read the RAM of my server hosted at Hetzner and extracted a LUKS key from it. That was a lifelong lesson. There is no guarantee AMD won't come up with similar shenanigans like Intel's DCI soon and of course we don't know what PSP does behind the scenes, but at least for now, they are generally better for anti-forensics-tuned Linux kernels.

piyh 55 minutes ago | parent

Full story pls?

Doohickey-d 51 minutes ago | parent

It's not the OP's story, but it's also not the first story of things hosted at Hetzner being intercepted. Best to not host "such" things there, since they seem quite compliant in that regard: https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/ (comments at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37955264 )

theturtletalks 27 minutes ago | parent

Look into the WireCard scandal. WireCard was the Stripe of EU worth billions. They were even audited by one of the big 4 firms and they confirmed it was a real company.

Turns out it was a front for Russian intelligence. Even after the German government found out, the guy still somehow escaped to Russia. There’s a solid chance that Russia operatives have infiltrated the German government. They was even a big hack Russia’s state hackers did and a lot of information was leaked.

I bring this up because Hetzner was asking for my passport to buy a $10/m server. Simple opsec says to just pay a bit more and use DigitalOcean or some other VPS.

Foobar8568 9 minutes ago | parent

What? I don't remember that it turned out to be a front for Russian intelligence. WTH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Marsalek

2OEH8eoCRo0 8 minutes ago | parent

The documentary about that was crazy. Like a real life spy thriller.

mort96 7 minutes ago | parent

Yeah I tried to move to Hetzner, but bounced off when they wanted my passport info. I've since moved to OVH, where I get significantly more resources for the same money compared to DO, they're a European company hosting in Europe (getting away from US tech was the primary reason I was looking for DO alternatives), and they never asked for my passport!

There are many good non-Hetzner European hosting companies, luckily.

dingaling911 47 minutes ago | parent

If you assume the machine will be compromised, is there any way around this?

varispeed 37 minutes ago | parent

All devices have such backdoors.

Covzire 44 minutes ago | parent

AMD is reaping the reward of pragmatism, their best gaming CPU skus often have 8 full cores with a large cache for desktops plugged into a wall outlet.

Intel has been chasing higher and higher core counts which look good on spec sheets and dazzle in rarely utilized workloads, but said core counts do nothing to run the apps and games that most people actually use. I think getting dumped by Apple broke them, they're competing with Apple on paper and AMD is eating their lunch in reality.

theandrewbailey 33 minutes ago | parent

Intel never took GPUs seriously either. I'm positive they're kicking themselves that the AI revolution runs on products they are not competitive with.

They also stopped making 3D XPoint a year before AI would have bought all of it.

tester756 27 minutes ago | parent

>They also stopped making 3D XPoint a year before AI would have bought all of it.

Micron wanted to sell the fab that manufactured 3D XPoint.

zzzoom 23 minutes ago | parent

It's amusing because i915-derived integrated graphics had the largest GPU share for a long time, but they still tried to make an x86-based GPU instead.

davoneus 38 minutes ago | parent

Having strong competition between the CPU vendors is always a good thing. AMD has made mistakes, but it's hard to argue they don't deserve to outsell Intel for a change.

dlcarrier 24 minutes ago | parent

Hopefully they don't completely swap roles completely, with Intel being incapable of competing and AMD stagnating without competition. I'd rather they both be competitive.

davoneus 16 minutes ago | parent

Absolutely. It's also why I like seeing the Arm and Risc processor pressure; forces them to keep upping their game and not get fat and lazy (like Intel did).

guerby 34 minutes ago | parent

ECC

mickeyp 26 minutes ago | parent

That says more about Intel's shambolic efforts than it does about AMD's road to damascus moment.

Honestly both of them have demonstrated that they have little interest in AI. Intel gave up on Optane right as (a much-improved successor) would've helped with MoE offsetting or even as a highly durable drive for KV caching.

AMD have... turned out some decent gaming graphics cards and fine server CPUs but little else.

People are out there solding SMDs on old Nvidia mining rig GPUs to use them for inference; their hardware is not depreciating at the normal rate you'd expect from GPUs. DGX spark is finally useful now that AI can write multi-machine inference tooling optimised to it. Where's AMD in all of this? Nowhere.

jojogeo 6 minutes ago | parent

Ahh TIL! I used ChatGPT to find out what your "..road to damascus moment." expression meant, it was quite complimentary to you;

> And honestly, "Intel's shambolic efforts" alongside "AMD's Road to Damascus moment" is rather delicious phrasing. The author has managed to deliver quite a sophisticated insult in a single sentence.

pachouli-please 3 minutes ago | parent

Not to forget AMDs dominance in performance per dollar in CPUs of any variety up until very recently on basically all fronts. Consumer, handheld/low power, server, you name it.

Intel finally has really great low power/budget answers, but still loses greatly to 3d cache chips on most workloads.

dam_jackalopes 20 minutes ago | parent

Good. I was bitten by Intel's voltage issues in their 13th gen CPUs. Then again in the 14th gen replacement. They appear bloated, complacent and I hope AMD eats their lunch.

shmerl 18 minutes ago | parent

Gaming decline is not a good thing, but part of it is overpriced PC components due to AI craze. No one is in a rush to make new PCs for such prices.

dlcarrier 15 minutes ago | parent

AMD specifically calls out high sales of Instinct products as leading the sales growth. I wonder how their Epyc and Ryzen lines compare to Intels Xeon and Core lines. AMD's Instinct sales are practically nothing compared to competing Nvidia products, but no one† buys Intel Arc accelerators, so that may be the main reason AMD is beating intel.

†Disclaimer: I own an Intel Arc GPU