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77 points susanthenerd 1 hour ago 43 comments

allallx 53 minutes ago | parent

This is stupid.

doginasuit 8 minutes ago | parent

I feel like you had to live through the download more RAM scam/meme of the early internet to fully appreciate the joke. I remember installing it.

EliRivers 52 minutes ago | parent

If you want the personal thanks from Altman without having to actually give up your RAM, you can download some here first https://downloadmoreram.com and then upload that to Altman.

rbinv 47 minutes ago | parent

Someone should just FXP it over

stingraycharles 52 minutes ago | parent

This is silly, and I know Sam Altman said that consumers having RAM is not an efficient usage, but the real villains here are the memory manufacturers that have time and again have been proven to collude on price fixing and whatnot, and are now not scaling up production according to demand.

I don’t think it’s very productive to go on a witch hunt on someone who said something stupid and is being taken out of context (albeit he should have known not to say that).

AlecSchueler 49 minutes ago | parent

> are now not scaling up production according to demand.

Would you though? If/when the AI bubble pops and the buildout of data centres either stops or plateaus then they'd suddenly be sitting in a vastly oversaturated market and struggle to make it to the end of the year.

stingraycharles 47 minutes ago | parent

If there was healthy competition, yes, because it’s not as if this hasn’t been going on for years at this point.

Moosdijk 44 minutes ago | parent

All the healthy competition is operational now.

New fabs will be operational in a while, which is too big of a risk to take in these times.

adrianN 42 minutes ago | parent

It takes a while to build those fabs.

OroPla 9 minutes ago | parent

Remember when the dot com bubble burst and after that the Internet became a billion times more important than before? Wikipedia didn't even exist when the dot com bubble collapsed!

All that bubble popping will do is wipe out some investor's money. Everything else will stay and become more and more important.

But of course, it is more profitable to sell one item for $1000 than it is to sell ten items for $100 each. And even if a competitor shows up, you can just price dump with all the extra money you already made until that competitor goes away.

shoobiedoo 46 minutes ago | parent

Witch hunt?! Sam said something goofy, a goofy little website was made to poke fun at what he said.

Good god the internet is so sensitive nowadays

Moosdijk 43 minutes ago | parent

It’s almost like it’s a calculated move to distract from other things.

exitb 30 minutes ago | parent

Nothing silly was said really. The remark was specifically about local inference and RAM supply issues and it’s entirely true - if all current AI users tried to switch to local models, it would make the RAM availability situation much worse. I userstand that regular Twitter folk doesn’t grasp that, but this isn’t Twitter.

Hamuko 25 minutes ago | parent

Would it? First of all, all current AI users still need memory in their devices. You can't use ChatGPT with pen and paper. There would always be a consumer demand for memory, even without local inference. Secondly, it'd drastically decrease the demand for HBM, which has shit yields when compared to conventional memory. It's also questionable as to how much of the produced HBM is actually in use and not sitting in a warehouse.

matkoniecz 15 minutes ago | parent

Altman is still lying by omission[0] by implicating that various important costs are not real

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50400515 for longer comment on that

And "if all current AI users" is a strawman, people using free chatgpt once or twice a day are not going to buy RAM to run own LLMs.

quikoa 45 minutes ago | parent

> but the real villains here are the memory manufacturers

Ah yes Sam Altman is not a real villain despite OpenAI locking up 40% of global DRAM supply.

kreco 38 minutes ago | parent

They are both villains.

If a customer ask me to get all my butchery stock for a year, it will make thousands of client unhappy and will make one client happy, so I'll simply refuse.

This is not how business is supposed to be, the world is not supposed to be a B2B chaos.

I know how the business is done "supply demand" bla bla. That does not make it ethical one bit.

Culonavirus 11 minutes ago | parent

It really seems like the majority audience of this site (lukewarm left wing nerds, let's be honest) is trying to square a circle with the unwavering AI support (I mean the ecosystem and the people, not the technology, which is indeed great).

If you look outside the tech bro / stock bro / tech worker circles and into the mass left wing populace everyone HATES ai and ai data centers... the Altmans, the Amodeis, the Huangs, they are not the devil himself levels just yet (cough, Musk, cough), but they are climbing up there.

People's jobs being taken (and especially entry/junior jobs, you know, the ones young people, who voted massively blue, need to get started in life), data centers increasing their electric bills or polluting the air with gigawatt level gas turbines (or both), consumer electronics prices rocketing up (~400% increases YoY in RAM and SSD prices) just so the corporate capitalist class can hoard millions of gpus in warehouses.

I mean, if the democrat politicians getting into power keep their promises and step on AI buildout's neck, it could be lights out for the AI bros.

OroPla 4 minutes ago | parent

It wouldn't matter if they made enough of it to meet demand.

matkoniecz 41 minutes ago | parent

> and are now not scaling up production according to demand

1) boom and bust cycle in memory industry is a repeated problem

2) companies are not obligated to scale up

> and is being taken out of context

no it is not - Altman is lying by omission[0] by implicating that various important costs are not real

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50400515 for longer comment on that

sznio 40 minutes ago | parent

>and are now not scaling up production according to demand.

hopefully china does it and hynix burns in hell

Grimburger 10 minutes ago | parent

It was taken out of context for sure but still find this site amusing. Perhaps even prophetic, can we build enough ram and vram for future requirements when theres only a few holding the keys.

Obligatory: "we're curing cancer r-right?" No Nat we're making slop videos with it.

high_na_euv 6 minutes ago | parent

>have been proven to collude on price fixing and whatnot

where is the proof?

>and are now not scaling up production according to demand.

fabs are being built by maaany companies, but it takes years

Den_VR 51 minutes ago | parent

While I’m not sure what this does, I’ve made sure to have chatgpt do it for me, safely from the cloud.

ModernTimes 49 minutes ago | parent

Found the person who consumed the fake propaganda about the Sam Altman quote.

954380863 32 minutes ago | parent

This is tremendously fake news. Everbody knows it. The best people say it's fake.

7Chinguun7 46 minutes ago | parent

Its because of the companies too i mean they are not making too much ram on purpose to make supply low and demand high.

gambiting 34 minutes ago | parent

Except that's nonsense, any company that could make more ram absolutely would because the damand is insane. There is no universe or economy where it would be profitable to artificially lower your production to keep prices high when you can just make more ram.

raincole 28 minutes ago | parent

Really? You never heard about how OPEC?

greggsy 21 minutes ago | parent

So… the major manufacturers, which operate across different continents with notoriously uneasy geopolitical tensions, are secretly operating a silicon cartel?

chmod775 13 minutes ago | parent

You mean the exact thing that happened before involving a dozen companies and that ended with prison time and fines?

Truly an unimaginable and ludicrous suggestion in a time where regulators are less likely than ever to pursue it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_industry_price_fixing#200...

matkoniecz 14 minutes ago | parent

OPEC that in an equivalent situation was desperately trying to increase oil production, to discourage looking for alternatives to oil? This OPEC?

Taek 21 minutes ago | parent

It depends on how much inelastic demand there is. For example:

Let's say there are 10 companies that need 1 GB of RAM each in a life-or-death scenario. They would be willing to pay $100,000,000 per GB to get 1 GB of RAM.

At the same time, there are 90 more companies that need 1 GB of RAM each to make certain quarterly targets. They are willing to pay $10,000 per GB to get 1 GB of RAM.

If you make 9 GB of RAM, you can sell it for $900,000,000. If you make 99 GB of RAM, you can only sell it for $990,000, because the 10 life-or-death companies only need to bid high enough to push out a quarterly-target company.

It's a bit of a contrived example, but it shows you how restricting supply can boost total revenue if there is a segment of the market that has inelastic demand. (this is why medicine pricing has to be regulated - in the medical industry, there are lots of inelastic demand scenarios that can lead to predatory pricing)

matkoniecz 11 minutes ago | parent

We are not getting this level of scarcity yet, so that mechanism (life of death desperation of rich players) is not entering picture yet.

Also, it is not likely to happen any time soon.

We have less rich gamers deciding to not upgrade their PCs at most.

greggsy 25 minutes ago | parent

No, the foundries are just redirecting production to HBM, which is in much higher demand.

solyin 24 minutes ago | parent

We don't have to talk about paperclips anymore, it's RAM. Anyone want to play a game of ram chip maximizer?

serf 18 minutes ago | parent

I figured it was a cute tongue-in-cheek thing, and crashed my browser tab with a 16gb ask.

that could've been crummy for someone; you should warn that your cute little complaint actually eats ram; half is clearly fiction but the OOM isn't.

thih9 16 minutes ago | parent

Centralization is nonironically my biggest problem with AI. It feels like a step back towards mainframe era.

Will we go back to PCs? As in: are we going to get cheap local hackable frontier AIs at some point? I hope so.

Bengalilol 5 minutes ago | parent

Yes we will and we all know it. All those are raw materials.

pmlnr 4 minutes ago | parent

> It feels like a step back towards mainframe era.

:insert Will Smith presenting meme:

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