42 points jlengrand 1 hour ago 47 comments
austin-cheney 41 minutes ago | parent
maxloh 33 minutes ago | parent
Projects like Servo or Redox OS are community-driven and already lack funding. Blocking AI-assisted code will only drive potential contributors away.
Some projects have built strong communities around AI-assisted development. The T3 Code community [0], for instance, is very active, and most PRs are created with LLM assistance.
The real issues are disclosure and taking responsibility for your submissions, including carefully reading and testing your own code. Code written by humans isn't inherently better in any sense.
apt-get 20 minutes ago | parent
IsTom 14 minutes ago | parent
Well, this seems to be the point of it? To drive away contributors that maintainers regard as more trouble than worth.
Geventax 5 minutes ago | parent
relyks 32 minutes ago | parent
oneeyedpigeon 20 minutes ago | parent
nurettin 19 minutes ago | parent
Maybe the requests should be focused on one or two areas at a time so you can see some improvement over time instead of "everything at once".
Hendrikto 18 minutes ago | parent
muvlon 13 minutes ago | parent
AI has ruined all of our previous signals for high-effort work, it is effectively running a sybil attack on FOSS.
lemagedurage 29 minutes ago | parent
jlengrand 15 minutes ago | parent
TrackerFF 27 minutes ago | parent
Systemerror7A69 15 minutes ago | parent
In that case, only getting a few, hand written PRs could mean getting fewer, but higher quality contributers.
Other projects might not care about getting many contributers, many stars or being widely used. It might simply be a small project someone wants to code by hand. That's absolutely valid, many people still have fun coding by hand.
The truth is just that there are a lot of slop PRs currently, where ppl just sicced an LLM on a problem, did not validate any findings, did not check the code, did not read the output and just acted as a meat proxy. In many cases, these bans on LLM PRs are simply a reaction to this flood of PRs. After all, as I said above - everyone can do those prompts themselves, they don't need a PR for that.
staminade 24 minutes ago | parent
ryanbrunner 18 minutes ago | parent
m3nu 15 minutes ago | parent
bjackman 17 minutes ago | parent
"Random strangers, please don't have your agent send us PRs, we don't want to review it" -> yeah, totally reasonable open source maintainer behaviour, doesn't update my perception of the project at all.
"All code in this repo must be written by hand" -> This is probably not a serious project and I'll make a mental note not to depend on it.
If servo is really in the latter camp I'd actually say that's negligent at this point. A browser engine that doesn't have agents scanning for and fixing vulns is totally unacceptable.
JoshTriplett 4 minutes ago | parent
unified101 22 minutes ago | parent
Arbortheus 22 minutes ago | parent
I expect the problem isn’t necessarily the AI generation itself, but the difficulty to distinguish between someone that’s really understood the problem domain versus someone with LLM-induced “Dutch courage”.
That in combination with a large uptick in volume of community interactions (issues, PRs, …) risks burning out OSS maintainers.
Perhaps giving it a few months/years for the flurry to die down, and for people to establish better best-practices for using these tools is the motive.
Systemerror7A69 10 minutes ago | parent
The problem is that the last part changed drastically with LLMs. You can get a lot of solutions easily by prompting an LLM. But that also means you don't need outside PRs for that anymore, and just prompt the LLM yourself.
That means two things in my opinion:
1) People haven't internalized that yet. For a lot of people, a functioning solution to a problem with often quite a bit of source code is equivalent to "adding value" - because in the past it was. It meant you thought about the problem, understood it and found a solution. But it was that thinking that added the value.
2) The minimum threshold for adding this "quality" rises quite a bit. A lot of problems can now be solved very fast with an LLM by someone who understands the code base well enough. You don't need a PR for that.
I suspect, that means in the future you could both get and need less contributions to OSS projects in general.
We'll see
xnorswap 6 minutes ago | parent
In LLM-friendly repositories it saves everyone's time if the maintainers are the ones steering the machines, and in LLM-unfriendly ones it saves everyone's time by not having generated PRs thrown at the maintainers.
fl0id 1 minute ago | parent
jdzikowski 8 minutes ago | parent
fendy3002 5 minutes ago | parent
JoshTriplett 7 minutes ago | parent
Some of that. Also sometimes there isn't even a person, just a bot opening a pull request that doesn't hear feedback.
There's also the problem that many projects put disproportionate effort into mentoring new contributors and helping them get things right, and that's valuable when there's a human learning something, but not when you're just correcting someone's LLM slop.
And that's leaving aside all the other problems, like "these things took all our FOSS code, ignoring its licenses, and then used it to compete with us and drown us out", or "these things are going to turn us all into paperclips".
Personally, I'd say the right way to use an LLM is to let it review your code, or be your rubber duck helping you design the architecture or evaluate the security model or similar, but not let it write the code for you. (Unless it's truly throw-away code, like "write me some code to benchmark X vs Y to evaluate which is better for my use case". In which case, the point wasn't the code, it was the numbers.)
kouosi 3 minutes ago | parent
danielsamuels 22 minutes ago | parent
muvlon 10 minutes ago | parent
PennRobotics 6 minutes ago | parent
ssenssei 20 minutes ago | parent
gatio 5 minutes ago | parent
I'd expect them to increasingly use AI to figure out the latest obfuscations regardless.
IshKebab 18 minutes ago | parent
It's pretty clear at this point that AI coding works and is here to stay. But accepting external AI means you have way less knowledge about how it was generated, what models were used, were they given correct instructions etc. And also there's less benefit to accepting AI contributions because you're really receiving just a few minutes of contributor effort, which you could have easily done yourself.
There was a project highlighted recently that doesn't accept PRs at all and the maintainers just run the AI themselves. I expect that's where we're heading. If you want to contribute to open source projects in future it's going to be in the form of money for tokens.
Maybe submit a feature request/bug (prompt) and also pay some money to run the agent.
ChrisRR 17 minutes ago | parent
IsTom 13 minutes ago | parent
nsoam 15 minutes ago | parent
jlengrand 13 minutes ago | parent
Yes, this is a vibe coded project, I'm simply curious to see how large the trend is, and also look into how people handle writing about AI contributions in their projects.
I do not intend to make any conclusions our of this. The domain name is mostly a pun on "computer says no"
phoronixrly 8 minutes ago | parent
koalalorenzo 12 minutes ago | parent
Recently I was picking a self-hosted tool for planning trips, and I deleted it after a day, because it was extremely vibe-coded and none of the security issues reported in GitHub were ever fixed. It can be a prompt away to fix those! I noticed this way too often in OSS that is vibe coded, people focus on looks, feels and code does not get reviewed enough, because it "looks good with the CSS gradients" and "an LLM is always right".
So I understand why they would ban and forbid AI / LLM contribution, and I am happy they are banning them, I assume mostly for the mental sanity of maintainers and for making sure that knowledge share and somewhat better PR reviews happens. I will always pick a human-made project over an AI / LLM coded one.
jonathanstrange 8 minutes ago | parent
It's only a matter of time until code only written by humans is widely going to be considered unsafe. Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings but that should be crystal clear to anyone working in the industry.
mik1998 7 minutes ago | parent