YHK - yet another hacker news clone

107 points pycassa 2 hours ago 41 comments

I wanted to try codex after 5 months of claude code max subscription. And then I went back to my previous projects on claude design only to realize I don't have access to them anymore.

This is a first. I never lost access to any of my past sessions because I unsubscribed in any of the LLM apps.

I actually wanted to try out codex previously, but had similar experience with my credits. They gave extra credits equivalent to my montly subscription price, with some time limit because claude has so many issues that month. And as soon as plan ended. I lost access to the credits. Even after resubscribing, I still don't have access to those credits.

I have sympathies towards the engineers, especially the ones that are putting themselves on X. But only when someone with large following has some issue, they sort it out.

Having worked at a billing company, I can see how complex contracts sound good for the growth/sales folks but are also horrible for engineers actually implementing those contracts. Their complex rate limiting which is now a norm, identifying other harnesses to count them against extra usage are all probably not easy to implement without very rough edge cases. But all the "bugs" are just where the user gets screwed is what is problematic.

I just wanted to post this here, after tagging them multiple times on X to alert other users.

goekjclo 1 hour ago | parent

Cannot help but think Claude team are busy adding gimmicky side features instead of doing 'real' RSI and bugfixing.

9dev 28 minutes ago | parent

The lovely irony of a bleeding edge AI company being afflicted by the most mundane problem of all software engineering—the goldfish attention span of human coders.

pycassa 12 minutes ago | parent

Have any of you tried their support bot? Its insane bleeding edge AI company gets away with such experience. The bot decides the issue is solved and closes the ticket. WTFFF.

similar to claude code, they need to revolutionise customer support. Maybe from a ticket, if the agent decides if its real bug, and legitimate, it will go on and fix it.

NiloCK 22 minutes ago | parent

I don't think the product people and the RSI-adjacent people are the same people.

TIPSIO 17 minutes ago | parent

This is actually a form of AI psychosis.

It's really hard not to especially if you enjoy building.

wiseowise 1 hour ago | parent

And AI hypers suggest to build your whole career/identity on this shit. Already foresee "skill issue", "well you should've x, y, z, obviously", etc.

willsmith72 1 hour ago | parent

People often build their career skills on proprietary tech. Photoshop, Figma, Java, AWS architects

codingdave 30 minutes ago | parent

Just because people do it does not mean that it is a good idea.

parliament32 1 hour ago | parent

So.. you unsubscribed from a SaaS and expected them not to purge your data? Why would that make sense?

Anthropic may be a bunch of skids but it sounds like they did the right thing here. Pretty much all SaaS applications, especially in B2B, are required by compliance to remove customer data within X amount of time at the end of the contractual relationship.

05 47 minutes ago | parent

You get two years of 'free' (readonly) storage if you unsubscribe from google, it's very unusual to just nuke all access immediately.

> are required by compliance to remove customer data within X amount of time at the end of the contractual relationship.

that's a very bullshit justification, we're not talking about the 'delete account' button - especially since claude has a free tier.

parliament32 31 minutes ago | parent

I guess it's not a termination, but a downgrade to the "free" tier. But that still makes sense, given Claude Design is limited "to Pro, Max, Team, and Enterprise plans". He's not on that plan anymore so.. what commercial reason could they possibly have to keep his data?

Google Workspace seems to halt access immediately[1] and purge data within 60d[2]. For comparison, Atlassian leaves you access for 15d, and purges data at 60d[3]. 365 gives you 90d[4] before purging.

This is a pretty regular thing across the industry.

[1] https://knowledge.workspace.google.com/admin/billing/cancel-...

[2] https://support.google.com/a/thread/345697828/recovering-dat...

[3] https://support.atlassian.com/security-and-access-policies/d...

[4] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/compliance/assurance/assur...

pycassa 3 minutes ago | parent

So if I subscribe again? do I expect to have the previous data or it will start afresh?

I want to know if I should subscribe again to get this data or shouldn't bother.

You can talk about all these rules, but that was my data, when I was subscribed to their product, I'm not asking for access to generate more, just my past sessions.

hungryhobbit 35 minutes ago | parent

The standard across almost all services is to retain easy-to-retain data when someone leaves. It's just good business: you WANT them to come back.

The only example I can think of are the TV services: Netflix will erase your watched show list if you unsubscribe. But they are very purposefully doing it out of spite: they want to push you towards not unsubscribing at all (so they penalize it even at the cost of discouraging you from coming back ... because they know "subscription hopping" is a thing, and expect you'll come back anyway).

It's 100% a dick move when the TV services do it, but at least it (kind of) makes business sense for them to do it. For Claude it's just alienating their customers needlessly.

conception 1 hour ago | parent

Backup data that’s important to you.

zuzululu 1 hour ago | parent

Not your server not your data

jjcm 1 hour ago | parent

A lot of these things are made fast and loose, and unfortunately this is the reality of using the bleeding edge. Even Figma went through this kind of thing very early on.

To add something else to the discussion however, I'd encourage people to skip out on Claude Design for other reasons, and that is the inherent restrictions of LLMs for visual design. LLMs are blind, and spatial relativity is tremendously hard across layers of nested html / css.

If you're early on, I'd recommend starting with diffusion first. GPT-Image-2 is phenominal at UI design, and especially if you're just starting out will let you align on a direction more rapidly than an LLM can. The difficulty will be converting from image->html, but you'll be able to explore different directions more cheaply/faster than you could with Claude Design.

I will note a bias disclaimer here - I quit Figma to work on my own diffusion-based UI design tool. Not promoting that here, but wanted to at least share my findings in this space.

semiquaver 40 minutes ago | parent

What do you mean LLMs are blind? All frontier models are multimodal, which means they literally consume images as tokens. They can “see” exactly as well as they can “read”.

Also, GPT-Image-2 is not a diffusion model, it is based on Transformers, like other LLMs are.

slashdave 28 minutes ago | parent

Tokens are not a substitute for a numerical measurement.

Ask a LLM how much time has passed. Watch it hallucinate wildly.

Has anyone noticed that Opus has trouble building ascii diagrams (often leaves out spaces so lines are misaligned)?

semiquaver 8 minutes ago | parent

Ok? Your comment is in no way responsive to anything I said.

adi_kurian 32 minutes ago | parent

Multimodal LLMs are not blind.

Claude design in my experience is very, very solid.

teaearlgraycold 23 minutes ago | parent

I’ve only used it for fairly basic stuff, things that are very well represented in the training data. But for that it has made me happy.

jadar 29 minutes ago | parent

This has not been my experience. Claude artifacts at first, then Claude Design after it was released, are excellent at design! The way I can steer the model updating the design with different ideas and visions, even adopting different design systems like Material 3 or Apple’s HIG it has been phenomenal.

satvikpendem 23 minutes ago | parent

Or just use Google's Stitch, it integrates both code via Gemini and image UI generation via Nano Banana which I'd argue is even better than OpenAI's image models.

justinclift 21 minutes ago | parent

> A lot of these things are made fast and loose

Yeah, I'm starting to be worried about Anthropic's security controls for customer information.

To say they'd have a firehose of sensitive info from customers would be a massive understatement. Hackers gaining access to that, especially for a non-trivial duration, would be a disaster.

pycassa 19 minutes ago | parent

Thank you so much for your suggestion regarding UI design. As my main expertise is not this, I need some tool to depend on to ground my projects somehow. Even though stitch by google and claude design are not perfect, they give me some starting point. And then, after building the actual working project, will iterate until I like the look of it. This is how I'm using these right now. I can't even itearte on these design LLM's now, their own UX is very clunky and not very friendly, or its made more for the design folks.

But I will give GPT-Image-2 a try. Actually few months back I remember doing this UX/UI research on the chat gpt app itself, just asking it to generate what a certain app might look like and etc.

Please let me know your UI design tool. I'm want to try it out.

Animats 1 hour ago | parent

When you lose access to your projects, does Anthropic acquire the intellectual property? It's a real issue when it's in a machine learning system, not passive storage like Github.

pycassa 9 minutes ago | parent

I dont think github is a passive storage system anymore lol. There was an opt-out mechanism we needed to check to not use our code or something like that recently.

Uptrenda 55 minutes ago | parent

Aside from OP's post there's another issue with claude design worth mentioning. Yes, it makes absolutely beautiful designs, stunningly so, but the actual code is not something a human could ever maintain. So its like ending up with an opaque blob. Write-once, read-never, or almost disposal code. This is kind of bad because code people aren't going to bother to read might contain vulnerabilities.

It's an extreme example of slop code since while normally LLMs can produce code that ranges from some-what-okay to utter garbage, the web code claude makes is awful. On the other hand: you get a single file (even if it is full of 20+ embedded SVGs, javascripts, and other such things.)

dinkleberg 34 minutes ago | parent

Have you actually gotten it to build stunning designs? From what I’ve seen it still falls apart very quickly. They can do a decent job at building blocks but usually not putting them together in a cohesive way in my experience.

Uptrenda 11 minutes ago | parent

Well subjectively I've been extremely happy with what it built for me. This was all made with claude design: www.warpgate.io. It's the website for my NAT traversal library. Even has different theme for it, kek.

comboy 49 minutes ago | parent

Sorry but that one is on you. This sounds like expected behavior and I wouldn't blame any company for doing that.

pycassa 8 minutes ago | parent

I didn't know its expected behaviour until now. Will keep it in mind, but so far the big companies, let us browse our past chats, even after unsubscribing. Praying this will not become norm now.

lucasgw 35 minutes ago | parent

I have been using Claude Design + Claude Code, and results have been excellent. I have explicit clean-up instructions in Claude Code, and the handoff skill in Claude Design is pretty solid.

I've been on product launches many times, so can drive the design side appropriately and keep things focused. Has been a wonderful addition to my workflow.

As usual with any agent-driven tool - GIGO. If the human driving has no product experience and is blindly accepting designs, well, that's... a choice.

pycassa 14 minutes ago | parent

DId you read the post? They aren't giving access to my projects, because I unsubsribed from my max subscription to try out codex.

ruguo 31 minutes ago | parent

It’s pretty outrageous to lock out all your history just for canceling the subscription.

alyxya 29 minutes ago | parent

I also encountered an issue with my credits. I was previously subscribed to the max plan, claimed credits, then downgraded to the pro plan and noticed I lost my credits. I didn't unsubscribe, just downgraded plans as I wasn't using claude enough to justify needing max.

pycassa 10 minutes ago | parent

yes, their "contract" is insane right now, with so many edge cases. giving poor user experience. when they have so many users, these edge cases also compound. They should simplify things to to give peace to their engineers.

logickkk1 23 minutes ago | parent

tbh, backups matter. but nobody would accept Word deleting your files when you cancel Office. somewhere along the way we stopped distinguishing backup from custody.

Topfi 21 minutes ago | parent

It is still there and you may get it easily.

If you export your data [0] all your Claude Design chats are in a design_chats directory along with the code, even if your account currently has no access to Claude Design. It is .json, but converting that into usable code is easily done, either manually or by asking any fairly modern LLM via OpenCode. Just did it myself, it works. I will say that I'd still prefer if they allowed API use of Claude Design, it does have some niceties regarding the way follow up questions have been implemented that I feel make it worth it for very narrow UX experimentation but can't justify a whole sub at the moment, given I for the first time started experiencing regressions up to making Opus unusable via Claude Code with the Max subscription for the first time and the new pretrain in GPT-5.5 is very strong for very specific coding use cases. In fairness though, compaction and task adherence can be inferior compared to GPT-5.4 which did both better than any other model ever, so using both for their specific use cases is my go to.

Not feeling like commenting on every statement regarding SaaS and expectations, but I will say that some are mistaken/not considering the law and your rights by just telling you it is your fault and (at least) implying the data is lost. It can't be, think about it. Any temporary subscription cancellation/payment processing issue/bug on Anthropics part/etc. would mean permanent data loss. That'd be less than ideal, not least because Anthropic has in the past had trouble processing payments from verifiably covered accounts.

Users in consumer friendly area have the right to export and access their data, including data not exposed via any frontend or API if associated with their account. Doesn't matter whether they pay or not. Course, manual backups are always preferable. A provider could still have a data loss, but as long as they have the data, at least in my neck of the woods they have to give it to you. As it should be.

To end, I generally try not to comment on others comments or down outside of actual spam and bad faith, but if more than one comment already was helpful enough to tell OP that they should have exported/backed up, do we really need it repeated?

[0] https://claude.ai/settings/data-privacy-controls

pycassa 15 minutes ago | parent

thanks for letting me know this exists for claude designs as well.

yeah.. anyway it will be my coding agent that will be reading these. and if needed, it can show me what they look like.

in the ideal world, I know all these things should be in place, but I was not sure, they had the bandwidth to implement all these before releasing these things into the wild. but i will use it to download my sessions.

as a dev, building the product is the fun part, implementing entitlements, payment gateway, rate limiting, usage calculation, billing, gdpr stuff, account creation, deletion, export, these are the boring parts. so I wasn't sure they would have implemented this part.

Havoc 19 minutes ago | parent

>This is a first. I never lost access to any of my past sessions because I unsubscribed in any of the LLM apps.

It's not entirely unprecedented - seen these tactics in the google ecosystem. Google music. Unsubscribe killed(kills?) access to see you playlists which of course you only learn once it's done. Give them a credit card again and you can see and export them again. Magic!

Resubscribed for 1 month, exported it, unsubscribed, and swore to never trust google music again. idk why they implement patterns like that because sure you extorted $10 in cash out of me but it makes the brand toxic. There is no way that decision has a net positive future value. Hell it even got them a pissed hn post years later