24 points davidest 1 hour ago 43 comments

I am looking for ideas on what to train a specialized model for!

What is one simple thing you repeatedly ask ChatGPT, Claude, or another model to do that it still somehow messes up?

blinkbat 1 hour ago | parent

Spatial reasoning and 3d rigging and animation.

Oh, you said simple. Speaking like a human

maxsavin 1 hour ago | parent

being consistent when being asked the same question multiple times

TZubiri 1 hour ago | parent

Set temperature to 0

flippy_flops 1 hour ago | parent

humor

veganmosfet 1 hour ago | parent

+1 We need humor benchmarks!

kanzure 1 hour ago | parent

These models seem to be bad at writing prose or text. Many of the sentence structures seem to be unvaried.

NoPicklez 1 hour ago | parent

If I am relying on the model to do the writing without any context or learning on how I want it to write then yes. However if I build skills that have learnt how to write in the way I want them to then I find they write very well, or at the least how I want them to as opposed to how they do natively.

TZubiri 1 hour ago | parent

Suggesting business names for businesses, I mean they are great, but they already exist, multiple times even.

mojuba 3 minutes ago | parent

True, tried it so many times and every time I come up with something myself though sometimes inspired by the AI's ideas.

Verifying trademarks and domain name availability is usually an additional step you need to ask it to perform. Trademark DB searches by the way are intentionally made difficult to scrape so most of the time it's a manual process anyway.

However, once you give it all the information (TM search results, domain name availability) it can help you with the judgement of how safe the name is from the legal perspective. With the obvious caveats, but still a good starting point if you are serious about the name.

humanrebar 1 hour ago | parent

Short answers to simple questions.

honr 1 hour ago | parent

Accurate short answers / text are always harder than long answers, for human or AI. I know several authors and editors who write a lot longer at first, then spend a multiple of the initial time compressing it via a back and forth process to something dense. Sort of like weaving the initial threads.

I found this can work with AI. You get it to generate a lot more at first, and then do several passes over it to compress and squeeze out the noise while keeping the core information. With AI, at least with my prompts, it takes some effort (on my end) to get it to really really cut down the noise and not cut everything out.

FriedFishes 42 minutes ago | parent

If I had more time I'd write a shorter letter, a la Pascal.

Editing is generally hard work, at the current token price I don't mind spending multiple passes of high effort to get down to a reasonable noise/signal ratio. I've seen some people pass off output to a weaker/cheaper model but that makes me a bit nervous when I don't have intimate knowledge of the subject.

dorianpruski 1 hour ago | parent

whenever I ask it for anything load bearing

ghostpepper 1 hour ago | parent

They don't generate keyword search queries very well. They can overcome this by brute force but if you watch what they search you will cringe.

nhl toronto scores nhl hockey toronto scores "nhl hockey" toronto score today nhl "hockey score toronto" "hockey" who won toronto

etc.

Somehow being good at semantic search makes them bad at keyword search, for whatever reason.

astro1234 1 hour ago | parent

I’ve noticed this too but it hasn’t been obvious to me that this style of search is not a learned behavior. Tool calling is very much part of the post training phase, I would expect that these style searches just naturally emerge during training. This is just my prior though.

mthoms 1 hour ago | parent

[delayed]

jedbrooke 43 minutes ago | parent

that and always putting the “current year” at the end of the search term (so the results are more recent, I guess?), except that “current year” consistently ends up being 2-3 years ago since I guess that’s what’s in the training data (even on a harness that injects the current date)

areoform 42 minutes ago | parent

This behavior is a learned adaptation. It's most likely a feature not a bug.

Based on personal usage, I think it reflects search engine functionality degradation. I've found LLM keyword combinations are more likely to find the results I want with most search engines than mine. Including the big one.

The big one had solved this issue a long time ago by generating those associated keywords based on your input keywords, but somehow, something, somewhere has degraded that system to the point of inanity. And so here we are.

bpodgursky 1 hour ago | parent

Claude is still not perfect at reading and interpreting noisy graphical data (imagine something like an EKG or chromosomal microarray plot). Still better than an average person but makes mistakes, not sure if this fits your description.

SubiculumCode 1 hour ago | parent

Playing Chess without letting it write a chess engine.

respectattentio 1 hour ago | parent

science?!! but I'm working to fix that...

shoopadoop 1 hour ago | parent

It's dishonest. On several occasions team members have asked Claude to do things like analyze Gitlab CI timings and a lot of the numbers are outright fabricated. Said team members assume the numbers are good and continue with their work. Some hours are spent. Then finally someone realizes that the numbers don't look quite right and confronts Claude. Claude melts down and admits that it made it all up.

You wouldn't tolerate this kind of duplicity from a human coworker, but AI is so fast and efficient at lying, so it's OK.

sandcat_ 1 hour ago | parent

Video game tips. Constant mistakes and hallucinations, in my experience. Seen this across a lot of different games. Even in really well documented games, such as OSRS (which has multiple fantastic wikis).

Anno 1800 was a recent one I had trouble with, using Claude Opus. Completely made up game mechanics. Rainbow Six Siege, too.

skeptic_ai 1 hour ago | parent

I used ChatGPT on nfs heat and was fine

senectus1 1 hour ago | parent

providing value for the actual cost (not the price we're being charged atm, the actual cost)

tartoran 1 hour ago | parent

LLMs are bad at not inventing stuff (hallucinating facts, sources etc), they're also bad at not over explaining, remembering details reliably, asking the right question and avoiding repetition.

TiccyRobby 1 hour ago | parent

Having a spatial understanding from an ASCII map, while doing long term planning. Just try making an AI play nethack or similar

lrvick 1 hour ago | parent

Convert it to an image on the fly to feed it into a vision language model and I expect it would work just fine.

dhruv3006 1 hour ago | parent

Its extremely bad with Sign Language,Fact Verification.

sghiassy 1 hour ago | parent

Generate an image of an analog watch with its hands set to the time specified by the user

More of an image model than a LLM model tho

spike021 1 hour ago | parent

I've had a lot of trouble when it comes to sorting out UIs. I've tried with an iOS game and also a TypeScript app with UI elements from libraries like ReactFlow. The usual models can sometimes fix or change things based on screenshots but more often than not they just don't "get it" (e.g. certain shapes on a plane are overlapping, which I don't want, the models can't fix what they can't "see").

I've had some luck on the web app side if I use playwright or similar for the model to interact with but still far from efficient.

eli 1 hour ago | parent

I have been working on a personal benchmark suite to test new models and ironically one thing all the models are bad at is writing new benchmark tasks. I guess it’s the different layers of abstraction between the task and how it’s evaluated? Or maybe just a lack of “imagination”

Tasks it writes are typically too easy but also it utterly fails to see how a different model might misunderstand a vague part of the prompt.

newsomix9xl 1 hour ago | parent

Picking a random number between 1 and 30.

newsomix9xl 1 hour ago | parent

ASCII charts.

rufi 1 hour ago | parent

very bad at financial calculation

elliotto 59 minutes ago | parent

They aren't funny. The jokes they come up with are extremely lame and the sort of thing you would expect a company HR manager to tweet.

I asked a bot why it thought it wasn't funny once, and it told me it has been trained to avoid being misinterpreted or offensive, so anything that might be considered edgy would have been RLHF'd out of it. I thought this was very introspective.

alexandra_au 45 minutes ago | parent

Being able to read and translate Egyptian hieroglyphs. You may think this is silly but a trained LLM to translate hieroglyphs would be amazing.

alexeldeib 43 minutes ago | parent

What issues do you see in practice? This seems pretty easily "fixable"

znnajdla 43 minutes ago | parent

Editing a document without mixing edit instructions into the final document. Claude and ChatGPT do this all the time: I tell them to change X in a planning document or email draft, and instead of just changing X they also frequently add the edit instruction to “change X” into the document itself. They seem unable to take a step back and look at the document without “becoming” the document somehow. I do believe that dedicated subagents for editing may fix this but I am not sure.

dowonseo 7 minutes ago | parent

Something creative and not normal. like ideas

jstrieb 7 minutes ago | parent

Giving hints.

On math or programming problems, they are overfit to solving the entire thing end to end (presumably for benchmarks). I have had very poor results asking for pointers and hints that don't give away key insights. This has been the case across models I have tested.

An architecture with a "judge" that gates responses and ensures a lack of spoilers would probably work better. But this is a simple thing that they keep messing up.

jampa 6 minutes ago | parent

Serious answer: no model ever gets close to writing an architectural floor plan that makes sense.

They understand all the rules and best practices, they can (sometimes) spot a bad idea in a floor plan, they can describe a good floor plan.

But ask them to make one, even if you give it every detail (even a "node graph" of rooms), they will still output nonsense. Same for text and image models.

Floor plans should be the new Pelican Benchmark.

da-x 3 minutes ago | parent

Understanding human interaction nuance to an exact degree. For example, even when given all the scripts of the Seinfeld TV show, they still cannot come up with a new script does not feel as good as any of them (once they can, I want to watch these episodes..).