14 points jc_811 2 hours ago 16 comments

This is something I’ve been turning over in my head lately. I’m not denying AI is being used everywhere, but I don’t know if it’s actually helping businesses overall. If we shut it all down it seems that businesses would be fine (and maybe even better since there’d be no token burning budgets).

conmod278 1 hour ago | parent

In support, we chuck in the logs and get detailed analysis of possible problems and causes. AI based support request handling has been literally Godsend.

wax66 1 hour ago | parent

Pretty much nothing. We'd remove the AI integrations, the UI elements, then back to where we were. Luckily, we have no load bearing AI.

But if everyone else got to keep their AI, we'd lose customers very quickly.

joshuamoyers 1 hour ago | parent

so ironic to see “load bearing” in a comment about removing AI. certain phrases have been ruined by fable/opus 5 for all time.

anslopic 9 minutes ago | parent

Most people don’t use that shit.

Most just use Gemini or ChatGPT.

What does Anthropic bring to the table? Nothing, just a “me too” company

sixothree 7 minutes ago | parent

I had this conversation recently. Not only are search engines and comment threads getting filled with AI responses, but people are increasingly sounding like AI themselves. This makes it even harder to distinguish.

Related to code quality, I've noticed developers picking up tricks from AI. Like using feature/xxxxx as the branch name. Last year exactly zero developers used this convention. If any used paths in their branches, it was almost certainly their name. Now everyone uses this convention. Though, they do use correct capitalization instead of lowercase freaking _everything_ that AI does.

sixothree 17 minutes ago | parent

Pretty much same. We only use it for internal projects when coding and for research for all team members, not just developers.

vips7L 1 hour ago | parent

I’d have to stop interacting with meat proxies and wouldn’t have to read copy pasted LLM text.

temp_praneshp 1 hour ago | parent

If it were just my company and not the whole industry for some newly discovered reason/vulnerability, I would quit because leadership has gone retarded.

chuckgreenman 59 minutes ago | parent

I would guess that AI has given me a 30% improvement in pace? I don't know, it would feel like riding a bike on level ground instead of downhill

oldsklgdfth 54 minutes ago | parent

I generally agree that the business does not see increased productivity and revenue from AI, if it does it is small enough to be within error.

That said, if everyone (not just devs) came in and there was no AI, the org would come to a halt. AI is load-bearing in my company. Everything from dev, code reviews, planning, doc writing, ops heavily uses AI. I mean heavily, there are dev that would not know where to start triaging an alarm without the robots. Same with customer service. So much of the human capital has leaked out of peoples' brains that is fair to compare it to brain drain.

Realistically, it would be painful for 1-3 months. People would go to teams with AI. A year from now, leadership is gonna have a hard time justifying keeping the lights out.

It is akin to asking "what would happen if your company stopped using the internet(to look things up)".

idopmstuff 42 minutes ago | parent

One-man show here - I own a dozen small e-commerce brands. I'll assume you're just taking away AI, but not the tools I've built with AI.

I've got all kinds of useful tools that do helpful things, like check to make sure Amazon hasn't lost a bunch of my inventory or suddenly deindexed my product from search. These sorts of things happen without warning from time to time and are trivially fixable if you catch them, but you have to be constantly monitoring 10 different things to catch anything that could go wrong in a timely fashion.

I've similarly got an inventory/cashflow management system that's deterministic that would be fine, but some of my other tools, like one that scrapes my Alibaba/WeChat/Whatsapp/Gmail supplier convos to keep my order status board updated, is finicky. I wouldn't be able to repair that once it broke.

For some tasks, I'd have to go back to freelancers. At this point, when I take over a new brand and want to refresh images or want to A/B test new ones with an existing brand, I can do that entirely with image gen. No AI would just send me back to Upwork.

For other tasks, I'd just have to do them myself. Right now when I acquire a brand, I have a Claude skill that runs through all of the Amazon search and ads reports to find the key search terms, analyzes the text of the listing and proposes updates to make sure we're hitting the ones that matter. I used to do that myself, but it takes somewhere between 2-10 hours depending how many products we're talking about.

The biggest loss would be the inability to expand. I started out just buying Amazon-only brands because Amazon provides a crazy amount of infrastructure that enables me to run a lot of them by myself. My most recent acquisition came with a Shopify site that had minimal sales plus a Meta ad account the guy who sold me the brand had done a little experimentation with. A year ago, I would've just discarded those, since my time is the biggest bottleneck. It takes a lot of time to run your own site and Meta ads, so it makes more sense for me not to bother and instead just make more Amazon-only acquisitions.

But now I'm having a great time really pushing Claude and ChatGPT to do most of the work. I redesigned the site more or less by just having ChatGPT do research on competitors and best practices, then having Claude run with that. That took maybe eight total hours of work.

I'm spinning up an enormous amount of creative to test on Meta, and I had ChatGPT research and spec all of the kinds of landing pages that are worth trying. Claude implemented them and set up the ads using Meta's ads APIs. I got all of that done yesterday.

So yeah, basically if I couldn't use AI any more, I'd get back to the original thesis of my business, which is buying small brands at reasonable prices and operating them as leanly as possible. It still works, but it'd be a lot less fun and profitable.

mrdependable 23 minutes ago | parent

Off topic, but where do you find these brands to buy?

idopmstuff 22 minutes ago | parent

Flippa, Empire Flippers and to a lesser degree Quiet Light Brokerage

anonzzzies 32 minutes ago | parent

My new business would instantly die, my old business (30+ years) would barely notice; those clients ain’t going nowhere.

gottagocode 26 minutes ago | parent

Hotfixes would go down by probably 50 to 60%. On a bi-weekly release rotation it was not abnormal to see 4 to 5 hot fix versions. In the past year, however, it is not uncommon to do 15 hotfix builds per release.

_menelaus 25 minutes ago | parent

We're an app dev agency so we would inflate our costs and timelines by 5x and we'd never win another bid.